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Domainlore charging 5%

Discussion in 'General Board' started by LCHappy, Aug 23, 2019.

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  1. diablo

    diablo Well-Known Member

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    This is all getting a bit confused.

    Even if a buyer was covered by the Sale of Goods Act, it isn't the buyer that pays the commission. Plus when did Denys move to Malta?

    I think we can all agree the terms as they stand are unfair. All that's needed is something along the lines of "if hidden gem reaches £XXXX at auction a 5% commission is payable".
     
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  3. LCHappy United Kingdom

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    But what would they force him to do if they find him in the wrong? At no point does he have your money to be forced by a court to hand you it back, unless you voluntarily pay him first in which case why would you be going to court?
     
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    dee Well-Known Member Acorn Supporter

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    Indeed. All payments go direct between buyer and seller.
     
  5. LCHappy United Kingdom

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    I think that within the coming weeks, everything that is sold on there will come with a 5% charge.
     
  6. Ben Thomas

    Ben Thomas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, that was confusing. The point being, if I sell a domain on Domainlore as a Hidden Gem domain (this based on a true story by the way) and half way through the auction, Deny's decides "Hm, I think I will charge 5% on the final sale value for all Hidden Gem domains". When the sale is complete, an invoice (or 2) are sent to me for a fee I hadn't agreed to pay (based on terms and conditions). If I don't pay this invoice, my account is blocked. This is my idea of "unfair business practice". It's by the by, anyways, as someone pointed out - Domainlore will soon not be free. But this may well be the nail in the metaphorical coffin for Domainlore, as if that happens, there are much better alternatives now.
     
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    What better alternatives are there?
     
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    eBay :p
     
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    Why not just charge a flat fee of 5% on all sales, and £5 if it doesn't sell?

    He's created the platform, he's brought together the buyers and sellers, why shouldn't he monetise it?

    For a group who acquire items for £x-xx and expect to sell them at £xxx-xxxx people here sure don't like others making money off them.
     
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  10. ian

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    Where did I suggest otherwise? I'm all for a fixed 5% fee, providing their is a credible buyer base which DL mostly has (from a reseller pov). All my auctioned sales go on DL as the best option which is why I asked what better alternatives there are, which you quoted as something else!
     
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    I agree, but there certainly is room for complaint on how he rolls the changes out and currently them being down to his discretion rather than clear cut.
     
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  13. LCHappy United Kingdom

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    That's very confrontational to some members on here. I'm not sure that is the best way forward for domainlore when premiums are already deserting the site.

    I'm not sure outing private emails to support is even legal, or attractive to anyone wanting to ask things through support.

    "smart people understand that good products don't remain free forever"

    :D

    ouch -

    Have google, twitter, gmail started charging yet? Come on smart people :eek:
     
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    He does cover that - you are the product
     
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    I think that posts sums up the lack of professionalism and the ego-trip that owner has.

    1) Comes out and says that the people calling him out were only 'skint domainers.'

    2) Posting screenshots of thread posters from DL but digging into who they are and posting their real name. Why would he do that other than for a power/ego trip?

    I'm quite concerned about some of the stuff he discussed about Acorn user "Katch!" in specific. He's disclosed information that is illegal under EU GDPR laws. He's posted private email conversations. That's not acceptable in any situation.

    You can't go around discussing things like that, even if true.

    It's all very concerning and illegal.
     
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  16. LCHappy United Kingdom

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    I did see that but I don't agree with it on the above two. I actually don't believe the general statement that much ( believe the investors are the product), but that's a different story for another day.
     
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    His ad hominem rants and raves don't bother me. He's emailed me twice now; I won't post those emails as I don't believe tactics like that are ethical. He also alludes to a staff member here in a pejorative manner.

    To clarify my criticism of his acceptance procedures, of course I understand he has an automatic route for some sellers (including myself) to feature in the 'gem' section without review. It's the rejection/demotion of submissions prepended with the '!' character that have often been the subject of my surprise.

    Perhaps a little humility is called for when it comes to his public relations policies.
     
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    On holiday with Rob??:confused:
     
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    Hi guys,

    Just want to address some confusion here about Deny's and Malta, I did in fact get this mixed up with Rob :D Secondly, for everybody who has seen the post on DomainLore, you can make your own assumptions, but I stand by my choice to call him out for underhand dealings. Two of my auctions had the goalposts changed mid way through during ROR, and I assume this happened to several people too. The guy is clearly on some ego-trip. But I'm consulting with a solicitor this morning re. personal information under GDPR.
     
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    From your blog comment:
    "Sorry to hear I've upset you also, let me think of a way to make it up to you while I count my money."

    From your sales thread
    "Feel free to bicker over it though, while I'm counting my money"

    Yep, that other guy is definitely on an ego trip :rolleyes:
     
  21. Ben Thomas

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    "Boxfish", I would say that yes, at times I have let me ego better my good judgement. But I would argue that saying I'm counting my money, while others try their best to disrupt my earnings is not to do with ego and more to do with taking the higher ground. But alas, you can see it however which way you deem fit, it's of no concern to me. However, the whole thread from Denys' website is egocentric, which leads me to believe (and also based on the fact that plenty of other users of this forum and further afield have noted) that he thinks very highly of himself and his little website. But again, I digress, this is of no concern to me in the grander scheme of things. My initial interest was to avoid anybody being charged unnecessary and unfairly charged fees by DomainLore or simply raise awareness of the way he practices business. But you know what they say ...

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