Nominet prefer nGTLD to .UK

[humble pie]

Reading between the lines one could argue it means 'we have an enormous pot of cash, and we don't know what to do with it', so now, lets spunk it up the walls on trying to use our fecking car park to reinvent IOT services so our zombified, fuck nugget work force can make it to their over paid jobs a bit quicker.

btw, I’m not an anti innovation or a disbeliever in this iot shite, just risk averse, indecisive, and skeptical of everything

You may have read this, you may not, but on:

Our aim now is to two-fold. We will continue to develop the systems for the Oxford Flood Network, adding new features, such as an open data interface. But as an applied R&D group we are also working on other real-world projects to test our IoT tools in different situations. The first of these is our very own smart car park solution for our Oxford Headquarters, which you will be able to read about soon!

 

[RobM]

Well they'll have a lot more money soon to funnel into useful projects like these.

 

[invincible]

As a general thought about the selection of the "flood.network" domain name by the independent company Flood Network Ltd rather than about the other issues already raised, thread readers may be aware that "floodnetwork" within .com and .co.uk are already taken and .uk is reserved due to ROFR. Other extensions (historic and new) are available.

In my opinion the selection of "flood.network" by this company is a great choice because (a) the dot neatly separates the two words and (b) the domain name is an exact match for the company name (excluding the Ltd/Limited suffix). On these bases alone their selected domain name is nicer than "floodnetwork" would be within even .com, .co.uk or .uk in my opinion.

When the opportunity to select a domain name like this (i.e. where the domain name .suffix matches the last word in the company name) presents itself it's likely to be tempting to the registrant because it is the most succinct way of representing the company name in DNS.

I am aware of potential for confusion and the uphill struggle of changing trends/familiarity with historic extensions. In my opinion "flood.network" looks better than the alternatives in any extension, including historic ones. If they were able to register the .com, the .co.uk and .uk and redirect them to flood.network too that would be the ultimate. However that isn't the case at the moment.

At least the company didn't select another suffix such as .company or .solutions to suffix "floodnetwork".

 

[gimpydog]

Well they'll have a lot more money soon to funnel into useful projects like these.

Sooner, or later, one of those moonshots (ultimately funded by .UK registrants) will come good.

Who will get the benefit??

I suspect we will see new companies spun out of any successful projects & it will be interesting to see who the shareholders & directors of those new companies are & how much of their own money has been risked in bringing the project to fruition.

 

[Stephen]

joint venture insist on domain ending in .uk

....In my opinion the selection of "flood.network" by this company is a great choice because (a) the dot neatly separates the two words and (b) the domain name is an exact match for the company name (excluding the Ltd/Limited suffix). On these bases alone their selected domain name is nicer than "floodnetwork" would be within even .com, .co.uk or .uk in my opinion. ....

100% agree for that company to register there own main domain name, it is a opportunity they should not have missed and they don't need to pay $100,000 to create the gTLD as others have had to do with their trade names.

Where it seems differs for me, Nominet which derives its revenue from domains ending in .uk is in partnership with another organization which is not in the domain selling business,
so I would expect Nominet for a joint venture to insist on a domain ending in .uk to showcase their joint project.

Or is co-funding with large registrars the only tool in the Nominet marketing toolbox?

Stephen

 

[humble pie]

I'm sorry but imho your completely wrong. Firstly this project is in the UK so flood.network is too generic and global for this (or is that where its at?). Second, its potentially a critical service built on a rocky new gtld foundation that no one knows about in the UK and has yet to prove its self long term (13k registrations in 1.5 years wow) - what happens down the line when .network is shit canned? Third, for crying out loud, Nominet are the .uk registry supporting a project they must have some leverage; floodnetwork.org.uk would have been fine, and if not, I'm sure with a little imagination other .uk flood network related combos are available.

As a general thought about the selection of the "flood.network" domain name by the independent company Flood Network Ltd rather than about the other issues already raised, thread readers may be aware that "floodnetwork" within .com and .co.uk are already taken and .uk is reserved due to ROFR. Other extensions (historic and new) are available.

You must be out of you mind You could say this about any ngtld - tour.guide, kids.shoes - you really have been sold the dream with these.

In my opinion the selection of "flood.network" by this company is a great choice because (a) the dot neatly separates the two words and (b) the domain name is an exact match for the company name (excluding the Ltd/Limited suffix). On these bases alone their selected domain name is nicer than "floodnetwork" would be within even .com, .co.uk or .uk in my opinion.
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[monaghan]

Let's face it, Nominet has been taking our registration fees and membership fees, running a registry paying (questionable?) bonus payments to staff and then handing over what's left to whoever shouts loud enough however barmey the project. Personally I'd rather the income was reduced so there's no profit or the cash was used to run / improve the registry services or put in the bank for a rainy day or even paid to the treasury as corporation tax in preference to making a "charitable donation" for each domain I register. (not against charity and I personally support many charities, but I want to choose which ones)

But realistically speaking us smaller members actually have no voice within the organisation.

 

[invincible]

I'm sorry but imho your completely wrong. Firstly this project is in the UK so flood.network is too generic and global for this (or is that where its at?).

You may still be confusing the independent Flood Network Ltd company choosing their own domain name - a company that may operate within the UK and internationally - and the Oxford Flood Network Project that Flood Network Ltd and Nominet R&D are partnered on (but it is possibly not an equal partnership). It'll likely be up to Flood Network Ltd how it went down. Domain Names were likely the last point of relevance for this because Nominet isn't just a domain name registry any more and hasn't been for several years.

Second, its potentially a critical service built on a rocky new gtld foundation that no one knows about in the UK and has yet to prove its self long term (13k registrations in 1.5 years wow) - what happens down the line when .network is shit canned?

13k registrations in the .network gTLD probably makes that gTLD profitable. I am sure with a couple of hours and some research I could fairly easily produce a premium .network domain name list that would contribute significantly to its annual costs.

You must be out of you mind You could say this about any ngtld - tour.guide, kids.shoes - you really have been sold the dream with these.

One has to evaluate each domain name on its merits but there are some great two word combinations spanning the dot. I have one that is getting plenty of interest by email and big well funded companies breaking down the door over email to partner on projects linked to it.

I am glad you don't get it. It means one less competitor!

 

[ian]

That's David in the doorway to Nominet right?

 

[invincible]

Let's face it, Nominet has been taking our registration fees and membership fees, running a registry paying (questionable?) bonus payments to staff

Don't forget to mention anything that those Registrars and Registrants received in return or people reading might be stupid enough to think all those received nothing. I do sometimes wonder if some forget to remember the "Oh Sh*t, I made loads of money out of buying and selling domain name registrations while all that was allegidly going on!" aspect.

and then handing over what's left to whoever shouts loud enough however barmey the project.

Do you somehow blame the Nominet Trust trustees in some way?

 

[invincible]

That's David in the doorway to Nominet right?

thanks for ruining a sensible thread.

 

[Stephen]

That says it all!

... Domain Names were likely the last point of relevance for this because Nominet isn't just a domain name registry any more and hasn't been for several years...

That says it all!

The point is for Nominet the domain chosen should be the first thing on the agenda.

Which domain is the first thing I consider on a new project.

Nominet was formed as a Domain registry for domains ending in .uk and that is what it should be.

"Domains being the last point of relevance.." I wonder if you would have got elected to Nominet, if that was your slogan?

Merry Christmas
Stephen

 

[invincible]

That says it all!

Which domain is the first thing I consider on a new project.

Nominet was formed as a Domain registry for domains ending in .uk and that is what it should be.

"Domains being the last point of relevance.." I wonder if you would have got elected to Nominet, if that was your slogan?

Merry Christmas
Stephen

Please don't quote what I write out of context.

1. Last point of relevance in respect of a joint venture where the independent Flood Network Ltd appear to be the lead partner and the project isn't anything to do with actual domain names operated by Nominet as a registry.

2. Whatever Noninet may have been originally founded as in the mid 90s has evolved as all informed Nominet members are aware. I'm aware of it because I participated in the EGM's. I forget how much I supported the changes then but the changes occurred and now the company does other things. Your "should be" is therefore legally incorrect I believe.

 

[ian]

thanks for ruining a sensible thread.

Nothing sensible about a bias opinion unfortunately, but carry on

 

[invincible]

Nothing sensible about a bias opinion unfortunately, but carry on

Bias over?

 

[ian]

Bias over?

You've come to the defence of Nominet and their associated company over the decision they've made to use an obscure domain extension over UK. It seems only you find this acceptable. You've also jumped on absolutely every other thread involving Nominet to defend their position, such as claiming user error on the new control panel etc. I'm confused, either you are here offering a personal opinion (this thread), or official one (that thread), but as a board member, you can't be both imo. Your views since being elected are certainly more a case of toeing the party line. Do Nominet know you represent them in an official capacity on here? Do they need to approve your comments? Do they even know!?!?

 

[RobM]

Sorry for a silly question but how do these things benefit uk registrants? I've only ever been to Oxford once.

 

[invincible]

You've come to the defence of Nominet and their associated company over the decision they've made to use an obscure domain extension over UK.

It's not an "associated company". It's totally independent therefore the decision would have been theirs to make. I've also pointed out that it is a very relevant domain name and the most succinct they could have hoped for, which I believe to be factually correct.

May I remind you that Nominet are also the registry for two gTLDs that end users can register within. Why do YOU therefore bias .uk?

It seems only you find this acceptable.

Yes I find it acceptable that an independent company can select the domain name they feel best suits their needs. I've had to be the one to dig out and explain the facts as usual. Who else was going to do it, or do you prefer to only be aware of part of the facts? I don't.

You've also jumped on absolutely every other thread involving Nominet to defend their position, such as claiming user error on the new control panel etc.

I've said on some occasions it *could potentially* be user error. Unfortunately a number of Registrar/Registrants users have demonstrated that they aren't aware of when they're logged in as one or the other when their domain names and registrar account share the same email address. This is user error/ussr unawareness. However it hasn't always been user error in every case, as I addressed with the manual transfer issue the forum admin experienced. I also don't consider some of the walk throughs that some forum members here have posted about how to best use the new registrant interface as the best methods. It has appeared to me that some users simply aren't looking at what's in front of them and at least one forum member here openly admitted he didn't. If users don't read things, yet I as another user so who's to blame? I acknowledge there have been other problems and issues and as a forum user I like to read more details about those.

I'm confused, either you are here offering a personal opinion (this thread), or official one (that thread), but as a board member, you can't be both imo. Your views since being elected are certainly more a case of toeing the party line. Do Nominet know you represent them in an official capacity on here? Do they need to approve your comments? Do they even know!?!?

They know I post. I have to wear multiple hats. It's not an easy position to be in but in this thread I'm simply saying what I see and trying to be as factual as possible. Sometimes I give my opinions.

 

[ian]

May I remind you that Nominet are also the registry for two gTLDs that end users can register within. Why do YOU therefore bias .uk?

Well, I hardly expect them to encourage the use of a Welsh domain for an Oxford based company

They know I post. I have to wear multiple hats. It's not an easy position to be in but in this thread I'm simply saying what I see and trying to be as factual as possible. Sometimes I give my opinions.

I'm glad they are aware; saves me having to clarify this with them; I'll take you on your word. Multiple hats is a tricky one, I appreciate this as surprisingly I have to do the same promoting two conflicting platforms, but ultimately you are a paid member of Nominet, which unfortunately means imo your opinions are now skewed in their favour; especially if the content you publish here and your own forum is being monitored.

 

[Stephen]

I disagree

Please don't quote what I write out of context.

1. Last point of relevance in respect of a joint venture where the independent Flood Network Ltd appear to be the lead partner and the project isn't anything to do with actual domain names operated by Nominet as a registry.

2. Whatever Noninet may have been originally founded as in the mid 90s has evolved as all informed Nominet members are aware. I'm aware of it because I participated in the EGM's. I forget how much I supported the changes then but the changes occurred and now the company does other things. Your "should be" is therefore legally incorrect I believe.

David

I disagree I have taken it out of context but apologies if it may appear that way to you.

If the project results are communicated to the audience via a website and then the website name should be considered and Nominet in my opinion should fight very hard for a domain ending in .uk for that website, you seem to think differently. It does not matter, who is the lead partner.
If you come back and say Nominet did fight hard and lost because ... then you will have my unreserved apology.

On legally "should be", that is correct.
I suggest you study more company law and get an understanding from the Nominet legal team on what the "Memorandum of Association" are for and what importance is placed on the order of the clauses.
It appears to me the commercial changes on policy have come from the Nominet executive not the members wishes or instigation.
Again please provide members resolutions instigating the continual commercialisation of Nominet and you will have my unreserved apology and thanks for pointing it out to me.

Nominet were granted the rights to manage domains ending .uk on the basis that was their purpose, the more Nominet deviates from that course, the more danger of Nominet loosing those rights entirely.

I presume you mean AGM's not EGM, that is what is coming next at this rate of progress on modifying Nominet pricing!

Stephen