.UK Announced

[DomainManagement]

He He This Great Read

And very well written

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media-net...og/2012/dec/13/nominet-plans-direct-uk-domain

The Guardian Attack`s Nominet

my predications are good so far and will continue to be so

There is a lot worse to come

 

[Edwin]

And very well written

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media-net...og/2012/dec/13/nominet-plans-direct-uk-domain

The Guardian Attack`s Nominet

my predications are good so far and will continue to be so

There is a lot worse to come

Added this and a dozen more articles to the list of published stories on the topic I'm maintaining at http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/articles.html

 

[Bailey]

Nice spot DomainManagement, Now the ball really begins to roll. Pretty much a good summary of all your words Edwin. love the reference to the CEO at 123-Reg

 

[Edwin]

Pretty much a good summary of all your words Edwin. love the reference to the CEO at 123-Reg

That's from Appendix B of my document

 

[bulkcorn]

I see your point ........... but is it impossible to get 100,000 domain owners (and non-owners) who would not want the .uk version of their name to be allocated to owners of indiscriminately registered rights and trademarks? 1000 domainers actively personally campaigning for 100 e-signatures each for the e-petition would give the target. I could easily get 100 e-sigs in a day.

... just a thought ... but I do see your point!

 

[bulkcorn]

Turn it on its head.

I think it is more effective as a FOR ePetition as it will not even get a few hundred votes!

It also fits with Edwins point that at the moment due to no knowledge and no widespread distribution and general apathy a STOP ePetition at the moment would not get many votes either especially as its only a proposal at the moment.

I see your point as well .... both e-petitions for and against the crazy proposals could be helpful.

 

[websaway]

John bloggs who was going to promote his small business through a website
this year but is waiting until next year because he has heard there is to be a new .uk domain being introduced is confused.
When he registers his new name jbboilerrepairservices.uk next year.

will he also need to register jbboilerrepairservices.co.uk ?

 

[Stephen]

Countdown....

There is no point at all in starting a petition in favour of something that is already being actively promoted as something desirable. The fact that it gained few votes can instantly be dismissed by Nominet as "why would anyone bother to vote when they know it's already happening".

No, petitions are definitely not the answer in this case. One article in The Guardian, eConsultancy, etc. is worth 100 petitions.

Edwin, I agree the media coverage is very important now and upto the Nominet board meeting and that should be the biggest push but all points made that might move thinking on at Nominet are also vital.

It might be to late now to use an e-petition to make the point (although somebody did mention it earlier in this thread) but if/when they role out the conclusion to introduce .uk it may be appropriate as one line of stategy to create on e-petition for and/or againist the proposal especially as whatever they decide considering the proposal has not had widespread exposure.

Due to only having only potentially a month after the release of the Nominet decision, lots of things will need to be in place to get it stopped unless they have come to a conclusion the majority of the people can live with.

 

[anthony]

By the way, you might like to know that Eleanor Bradley was made a Director of Nominet UK a few days ago!

 

[monaghan]

Looks like my MP is following the "it will grow the UK economy" and the "it will fight cybercrime" lines. Time for a follow up I think.

 

[websaway]

Keeping Perspective

How many current co.uk owners will need to immediately register the new .uk to protect their interests.

Say 4,000,000

At £20 each

that’s £80,000,000 income in a matter of weeks

If Nominet was a for profit company without a monopoly on it's product it would just go bust, as customers would simply walk away.

 

[GreyWing]

Keeping Perspective

How many current co.uk owners will need to immediately register the new .uk to protect their interests.

Say 4,000,000

At £20 each

that’s £80,000,000 income in a matter of weeks

If Nominet was a for profit company without a monopoly on it's product it would just go bust, as customers would simply walk away.

Also, there will be a £10 (at the very least) entry fee as well... there could be some with 5-6 entries as an average to each auction.

 

[Edwin]

That's why it's amazing that Nominet derided my £50,000,000 estimate (derived from the % uptake of the "new" extension in historic CCTLD transitions in other countries) as being far too high, because it was - intentionally - about as conservative as I could possibly make it (I included £0 revenue from auctions, for instance) so that it could later be defended as a valid estimate.

 

[websaway]

The big question for David Cameron is

If John Bloggs registers a name next year jbplumbingservices.uk will he need to register jbplumbingservices.co.uk ?

If he will, then you could not see it going ahead, it's simply a duplication.


He might want to register the org.uk and the me.uk he may want the .com or the .biz or whatever but he doesn't need to register them.

Will he need to register the .co.uk ?

 

[tifosi]

If a valid business registers the .uk, and there is already a niche area business on the .co.uk. If the bigger is the .uk e.g. from a major trademark player, then who is set to profit from the dilution of traffic the most?

If they both are in the same business then what about goodwill / passing off / trademark abuse?

I've only seen dilution from the co.uk to .uk. But the other direction is potentially greater.

A bit worrying for the business community at large!

 

[Admin]

Added to forum header to highlight it more here. If any members have websites on the subject to be added to the page, let me know.

Admin

 

[Murray]

My opinion as a small online business owner is this.

We will have to buy the brandname.uk to protect our brand and all we will do is 301 it to our co.uk because there is no reason to switch.

^ I think that will be the case for most co.uk owners, they wont move but they will have to have the .uk to protect their brand.

On the other hand I was thinking "Well maybe this will be a good opportunity for new businesses to get the name they want" but, it's a bad business plan to get a direct.uk without the co.uk because I would imagine a lot of direct traffic would by default go to the .co.uk version when typing it in.. so that's no good; if you have to buy the co.uk version you might as well just have done that in the first place and you don't need the direct.uk

For the above reasons I can't see how whoever suggested direct.uk wasn't logically shot down straight away.. assuming nominet are trying to do things in the best interest of the public.

 

[Stephen]

Thanks -Act now

Added to forum header to highlight it more here. If any members have websites on the subject to be added to the page, let me know. Admin

Thank you for banner it is much appreciated and hopefully the extra comments Nominet
will receive from Acorn members may be just enough to get Nominet to change direction.
As the message says give your opinon to Nominet now!

 

[Edwin]

On the other hand I was thinking "Well maybe this will be a good opportunity for new businesses to get the name they want" but, it's a bad business plan to get a direct.uk without the co.uk because I would imagine a lot of direct traffic would by default go to the .co.uk version when typing it in.. so that's no good; if you have to buy the co.uk version you might as well just have done that in the first place and you don't need the direct.uk

That supposed "opportunity" (which Nominet have been pushing as one key justification for going ahead with .uk) doesn't exist anyway, because assuming it has any value at all, the name in question will already have been taken by:
- trademark holders
- owners of .co.uk, .org.uk, .gov.uk, .me.uk etc.
- bidders at Landrush (this is where all the "big players" may leap in, including the massively deep-pocketed North American companies, and vacuum up everything in sight)
- drop catchers within the first 0.1s of "general availability"

So it will be gone before the average "small business" has even heard of ".uk".

The above scenario was 100% predictable by anyone with even a passing knowledge of how previous domain launches were conducted, and Nominet have far more knowledge than that!

 

[Stephen]

Next feeling?

For the above reasons I can't see how whoever suggested direct.uk wasn't logically shot down straight away.. assuming nominet are trying to do things in the best interest of the public.

You have come along way since 7th December and your first post on the subject of .uk.
It is a pity Nominet could not have learned what you have in that time.

I agree the more you look and learn the more crazy the whole thing is.

The next feeling I got was anger, that how could the keeper of the UK namespace make such a big mistake?