Discussion in '.UK Domain Name Consultations' started by stender, Sep 15, 2013.
Correct. We'd get map, maps, britain, cambridge, blackpool etc. in the .uk under V2.
Great blog - it is BIG news - wonder if you can get theregister to run the story
But he doesn't even particularly win anything from this scenario - he has 'britain' as the premium extension right now. If he gets the .uk then he still has the premium extension (whichever one that ends up being).
If he ever wanted to sell them to a 'real' brand before a .co.uk/.uk 'winner' has been decided (as in which domain is the true premium one for the uk market) then they'd likely want both - the amount of money they are going to pay for the pair, probably isn't that much more than they'd have paid for the .co.uk on its own had .uk never been invented.
When you look at the overall scenario (large .co.uk portfolio owner) he's certainly not going to win - any slight gains of a matching .uk for his premium .co.uk is going to be wiped out due to the portfolio stuff.
I don't really see any real winners at all - outside of people who are gambling on qualifying .org.uk's and buying them up now (or by pure chance ended up owning them before this happened)
I've tried on 5 separate occasions to "tip" them on stuff, so far to no avail. I think the problem is that it's news, but not "timely".
In a nutshell, that's why .uk is pointless and unnecessary: no real winners, lots of losers, lots of chaos and confusion.
How much do you think Cambridge.co.uk is worth on its own, if .uk had never launched, or even been considered?
How much do you think the pair of cambridge.co.uk/.uk are worth together?
I think its a hollow victory getting the .uk if you already owned the phrase in the premium extension surely?
I'm still not sure what your angle is here? I've made it extraordinarily clear in my 56 page public submission exactly what my views are on .uk. Anyone can download it and read it, including you.
So what's all this talk of "victory"? If .uk launches, we will all be the poorer for it (whether financially or otherwise - the UK namespace as a whole will take a big hit).
My point is in relation to Murrays comment of "Edwin (sorry to use you as an example Edwin) has some incredible domains that he would also get the .uk for, doubles his premiums over night for a few pounds."
He's talking like you're getting something great here. I don't think you are - you're getting what you already owned (the premium domain of those words) and whatever comes runner up, which is going to be relatively worthless.
Your domain valuing is already at 0 for everything.
Quit you valued at under £500.
You say you would have pad thousands more for Seychelles, meaning you thought £3000 was a bargain, but you still didn't buy it; I doubt with your current thinking you would have paid anything for it.
Say you had picked up seychelles.co.uk for the £3,000, what stops you from developing it? the .uk? the .uk to you is worthless without the co.uk so what is the .uk owner going to do with it? might as well just give it to you (to your logic)
So basically you don't think any uk domains are worth anything apart from a complete punt on monaco.org.uk, so it's not surprise you think a .uk is also worthless.
Edit: Actually with the above, and you saying .uk isn't worth much without the co.uk, why did you buy monaco.org.uk?
I think £3k for Seychelles was overpriced - I'd have paid way more for it if .uk hadn't existed or if Seychelles.co.uk qualified for it.
I'm not saying all uk domains are worthless - I'm saying any that you'd use for a brand that don't qualify for .uk, have been massively devalued.
did not follow New Zealand
Great article and research.
It's a pity nominet did not follow New Zealand and publish as they were submitted as this might have made a few more people understand some of the consequences of .uk before the deadline.
What would you be hoping to sell monaco.uk if you get it? I'm assuming more than you paid for the org.uk
You're saying cambridge.uk wont have any real added value, but yet you're punting hundreds on an org.uk when you don't know the outcome of the current proposals.
The big difference is I'm buying in on the cheap extension and hoping to win big on it. If you already own Monaco.co.uk then getting monaco.uk probably adds 10-20% to the total value of what you're holding.
I reckon Monaco.co.uk is worth £10k, if .uk had never taken place.
Monaco.co.uk & monaco.uk together are worth £12k roughly.
Monaco.org.uk is bordering on worthless.
Monaco.uk on its own? Who knows. If you sell it to someone who is certain .uk is going to win the war then its worth £10k. It'll be worth significantly more than the £500 I paid for the .org.uk, thats for sure.
start looking for an alternative
I still feel if I was developing a 'not of profit project' - .org.uk would be fine even though it did not qualify for .uk
It is only if I had a commercial brand requiring .co.uk presently that I would feel that it would not be worth investing further in that .co.uk if I could not secure the .uk and I would start looking for an alternative.
I also don't think .ac.uk, .sch.uk .ltd.uk .plc.uk .me.uk would be any more devalued than they are now, if they didn't get the .uk.
p.s. I only bid £2,500 ish for Seychelles.co.uk
Sure, I completely agree. If you're building on the 'poor' extension to start with then nothing really changes whether .uk happens or not. The only real risk is building on the 'premium' one... to find it later it wasn't really and you've been relegated to 2014's .org.uk equivalent.
So is monaco.uk is worth 10k, them being sold together 12k, monaco.co.uk without .uk is 10k
Then .uk being released would drop the price of co.uk 80% if you don't get the .uk
But if you do get the corresponding .uk to your co.uk you only get a 20% benefit.
Seems like massive losses & small gains for current co.uk registrants with that thinking if .uk goes ahead.
Exactly - they already hold the premium extension so have little/nothing to gain with an extra freebie. Maybe the .co.uk wins long term, maybe the .uk wins - either way it doesn't matter. They are going to own the good domain that is still worth a lot of money, and they're going to own the bad one which isn't.
Look at how little .org.uk's go for in comparison to .co.uk's - I don't think its far fetched to think the price difference between .co.uk and .uk could be equally the same if one wipes the other out and is the undisputed premium extension for UK.
Is that what a lot of people on here are doing, going through the list of .co.uk domains where owners stand to lose out to another lesser extension and trying to buy them before people find out about the .uk ?
I'm sure some people may, just like there were those who went after trademarks to try and get an edge in the short domain release... All very speculative, since it relies on both .uk going ahead AND the release mechanism staying the same, but perhaps the risk/reward ratio looks acceptable to some.
Plus .uk actually becoming popular.
If a lot of warehousing occurs, it may never take off.
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