.uk Shelved

[bonusmedia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21609406

I suspect there are going to be a few sighs of relief around here...

 

[Bailey]

trust the good old BBC to sum things-up nicely

 

[Systreg]

It hasn't been shelved:

We are going to explore whether it is possible to present a revised proposal that meets the principles of increasing trust and security and maintaining the relevance of the .uk proposition in a changing landscape," Nominet said in a statement.

 

[Bailey]

Yes indeed Systreg - it's called trying to maintain a dignified exit

 

[Systreg]

Ray, I know what you're saying mate, but it's all bollox from Nominet, if they're knocking it on the head completely, they need to make it known firmly, it needs to be called a dead duck, that's the only way to start to restore things to the way it was before this direct.uk rubbish, anything other than them doing that is still causing further damage, especially with their statements above made today.

I'll only consider it shelved when Nominet confirm it's not going ahead in any form or variation

 

[tifosi]

I don't know whether this is actually the case or if the BBC has jumped to a bit of a conclusion here. The later I think.

 

[Nigel]

I don't know whether this is actually the case or if the BBC has jumped to a bit of a conclusion here. The later I think.

Agreed - I think the BBC correspondent scanned the news release and made an assumption - but without reading the fine detail - we all know the way Nominet work. Nothing's straightforward and they certainly haven't yet fully and finally shelved the shorter .uk - but I think the BBC report shows why this can't drag on til June.

 

[Bailey]

I'll only consider it shelved when Nominet confirm it's not going ahead in any form or variation

You'll never see or read a statement to that effect. Nominet went Public, with a 'thought strategy' that all businesses keep normally under wraps until they're are pretty much certain of a given outcome. Nominets mistake is that it sees its self as a Business entity, but run as a collective with that kind of thinking.

Not a good mix

 

[bonusmedia]

Nominet P.R.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/latest/update-directuk

Summary of consultation results
http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/SummaryofdirectukFeedback.pdf

Full analysis of results
http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/NomensaAnalysisFinal.pdf

Whether this is the end of .uk or not, I am relieved.

As an end user and developer my main concerns were the potential cost of protecting my brands and the risk of losing out to new .uk sites if I was unable to. Those issues have been acknowledged as reasons not to proceed, so I am now much more confident they will be addressed in any new proposal.

 

[websaway]

Ray, I know what you're saying mate, but it's all bollox from Nominet, if they're knocking it on the head completely, they need to make it known firmly, it needs to be called a dead duck, that's the only way to start to restore things to the way it was before this direct.uk rubbish, anything other than them doing that is still causing further damage, especially with their statements above made today.

I'll only consider it shelved when Nominet confirm it's not going ahead in any form or variation

I think if they had have gone the way you wanted there would have had to be an inquest, their position would have been indefensible. That should still happen, but it's calculated damage limitation.

 

[Systreg]

I think if they had have gone the way you wanted there would have had to be an inquest their position would have been indefensible. That should still happen, but it's calculated damage limitation.

I don't see it as having to apportion blame or have an inquest, I just look at things as if I was running a business like Nominet or any other business. If I was in charge of whatever company, I would just come straight out and say it how it is, we tried something, we asked for feedback, the response was not in favour of it, with that, no further action will be taken regarding the idea, thanks for the interest, carry on as you were, no inquests, no blame etc etc

All this saving face crap is beyond me, just say it how it is.

 

[websaway]

I don't see it as having to apportion blame or have an inquest, I just look at things as if I was running a business like Nominet or any other business. If I was in charge of whatever company, I would just come straight out and say it how it is, we tried something, we asked for feedback, the response was not in favour of it, with that, no further action will be taken regarding the idea, thanks for the interest, carry on.

All this saving face crap is beyond me, just say it how it is.

But these, as officers of the company, are accountable for their actions and by admitting they got it totally wrong, which your outcome would have done, would leave them culpable.

 

[websaway]

a link on the bbc technology page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17393008


nominet should have asked mr northam what he thought about having to protect his new domain name before they bulldozed ahead with direct uk
He could have put them right.

 

[Systreg]

But these, as officers of the company, are accountable for their actions and by admitting they got it totally wrong, which your outcome would have done, would leave them culpable.

Sorry mate, no idea what you mean by accountable for their actions and being culpable, of what?

They had an idea, like any company does, they put it to a vote to see if it's worth doing, vote is negative, carry on as normal, what's the problem?

 

[Nigel]

Is it possible the BBC made direct contact with Nominet on this, or that a separate press release was issued to important news services such as the BBC. If so perhaps they were told by Nominet that the shorter .uk web address was definitely 'shelved' which is why the BBC are now running the story 'Shorter .uk web address idea shelved by Nominet'

 

[Bailey]

They had an idea, like any company does, they put it to a vote to see if it's worth doing, vote is negative and carry on as normal, what's the problem?

That is exactly what has happened in a sense, except they've sought the/a "Politicians" exit.

Which is the best you can expect in the circumstances. And There is no-way your going to see or read a definitive "No-longer under consideration statement" because that isn't the way Politics work

 

[websaway]

Sorry mate, no idea what you mean by accountable for their actions and being culpable, of what?

They had an idea, like any company does, they put it to a vote to see if it's worth doing, vote is negative and carry on as normal, what's the problem?

Yes and you stand or fall on the results of your ideas, and particularly on how you try to implement them.

Doing what you wanted them to do would have been like saying, yes we are idiots, we did not give our plans enough thought, we were the only ones who did not know this would not work in the form we proposed, everybody told us and we just went ahead regardless, we've created damage for absolutely no gain, we cannot reach our objective and it's our fault.

 

[Systreg]

That is exactly what has happened in a sense, except they've sought the/a "Politicians" exit.

Which is the best you can expect in the circumstances. And There is no-way your going to see or read a definitive "No-longer under consideration statement" because that isn't the way Politicians work

That's where we differ, I don't do politics, if I did something that didn't work out, I would just put my hands up to it failing and carry on as normal, I couldn't care less what people think of me or what I suggested doing.

Yes and you stand or fall on the results of your ideas, and particularly on how you try to implement them.

That's how it should be, you try to implement something, you fail, just carry on as normal, simple and that's all there is to it.

Doing what you wanted them to do would have been like saying, yes we are idiots, we did not give our plans enough thought, we were the only ones who did not know this would not work in the form we proposed, everybody told us and we just went ahead regardless, we've created damage for absolutely no gain, we cannot reach our objective and it's our fault.

Everyone knows it was an ill thought out idea, so it's pointless them trying to save face by not confirming the idea is completely dead in the water. There's nothing wrong with failing at something, that's life, it happens all the time, it's just that all the face saving crap that annoys me.

 

[Bailey]

on the lighter side of things, I'm more interested in where all those that "guaranteed" this is definitely going to happen pundits are going to head-off to.

Perhaps Admin could just add a "Health warning" to their posts.

 

[Stephen]

News v PR ?

Is it possible the BBC made direct contact with Nominet on this, or that a separate press release was issued to important news services such as the BBC. If so perhaps they were told by Nominet that the shorter .uk web address was definitely 'shelved' which is why the BBC are now running the story 'Shorter .uk web address idea shelved by Nominet'

On the Nominet website there is a seperate section for News Releases and at this time there has been nothing added about .uk only added in the News section.

PR (no .uk story) : http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/press-releases

News (with .uk story) : http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/latest