Final .uk solution Nominet has produced is good for all

[SoundSound is verified member.]

i agree pretty much with this especially as the forum at times was hijacked by others with their own personal agendas regarding nominet's wider motives.

I gave up engaging in these threads because as far as i could see nominet's consultation was pretty much in line with the sort you see government running everyday.

+1

 

[Stephen]

trying to go forward

I agree pretty much with this especially as the forum at times was hijacked by others with their own personal agendas regarding Nominet's wider motives.

Glad everybody has had there say on Nominet and the consultation process, but can we please get back to the point of this thread, which is trying to go forward rather than going over the past.

Anybody has anything else they would like Nominet to consider about the .uk implementation?

 

[Stephen]

Q & A - New Tool

Don't know if this is a new Q & A

But come across this today on the Nominet website, 2nd from bottom.

http://www.nominet.org.uk/how-participate/policy-development/IntroducingSecondLevelDomains/qanda

Q. How do I find out if a domain gets the rights to the .uk?

A. We’re creating an online tool that will show whether a domain name (whether it currently exists or not) will get the right to the .uk equivalent. We expect to make this available in early 2014.

 

[viceroy]

Some really interesting FAQs there and most points answered conclusively. .co.uk wins out on almost every contention! I'd still love to know how many .org.uk,.me.uk, etc. were in line to get .uk - though i suppose 6% is as close as we'll ever get...

 

[anthony]

...I'd still love to know how many .org.uk,.me.uk, etc. were in line to get .uk - though i suppose 6% is as close as we'll ever get...

It doesn't matter now, neither Nominet nor the majority of its members couldn't give a fook about .org.uk registrants, any rights they might have had have been cast to the wind. From the perspective of legal challenges or general moaning or complaining, 6% is significantly less of a registrant base to be worried about than 94%. Also, .org.uk registrants here were never going to get any sympathy either, this is a .co.uk community on the whole.

 

[martin-s]

What happens if a contested .org.uk and a .co.uk exist on the 28th of October (so the .co.uk gets the right to the .uk), but between then and the launch the .co.uk drops and is registered by someone else – who gets the right to the .uk?

The new .co.uk registrant gets the right to the .uk.

So drop catching is still all good.....

 

[Aegean]

The only winners from direct.uk now are the wealthy portfolio owners

Precisely, which simply exacerbates the problem for UK businesses.

 

[websaway]

The only winners from the government proposals to build more houses are the people who own the land.

How did they get that land ?

 

[pugyrob]

Whilst i like the outcome personally i think the "everybody wins" mentality is wrong. The businesses who could not get a co.uk cheaply will now have to buy both the .uk and co.uk if they want to build a serious brand.

By my workings out, that just made the barrier to entry for them higher than it was before. By giving 5 years it allows the huge portfolio holders to sit on the .uk version until they decide whether to reg it or to have sold it in the meantime.

Don't get me wrong, this benefits me personally but let's get real about this and what it is and who it benefits truly and yes that is the big portfolio holders and people who "burnt" their exact match co.uk's through seo. The .uk gives them another chance to conform more and be more prudent with how they promote it.

There is a lot of talk about co.uk "brands" and not usiong both the .uk and co.uk but really we can count on one hand the amount of real co.uk brands most of us own. Most of us own exact match domains or brandables, not known brands. For these names, there is a good chance to rank the new version where Google has screwed the co.uk.

 

[websaway]

Whilst i like the outcome personally i think the "everybody wins" mentality is wrong. The businesses who could not get a co.uk cheaply will now have to buy both the .uk and co.uk if they want to build a serious brand.

By my workings out, that just made the barrier to entry for them higher than it was before. By giving 5 years it allows the huge portfolio holders to sit on the .uk version until they decide whether to reg it or to have sold it in the meantime.

Don't get me wrong, this benefits me personally but let's get real about this and what it is and who it benefits truly and yes that is the big portfolio holders and people who "burnt" their exact match co.uk's through seo. The .uk gives them another chance to conform more and be more prudent with how they promote it.

There is a lot of talk about co.uk "brands" and not usiong both the .uk and co.uk but really we can count on one hand the amount of real co.uk brands most of us own. Most of us own exact match domains or brandables, not known brands. For these names, there is a good chance to rank the new version where Google has screwed the co.uk.

You could argue that it will not inflate the price of current co.uk's and that the prospect of .uk will just make the purchase of most co.uk's at fair values more attractive.

 

[pugyrob]

You could argue that it will not inflate the price of current co.uk's and that the prospect of .uk will just make the purchase of most co.uk's at fair values more attractive.

Scenarios i see are

1) the co.uk owner has not taken up the .uk and sells the rights to it with the co.uk. In this case i am sure he puts a premium on the .uk addition OR at very best throws it in the pot GRATIS. Either way, how is a business coming online benefit?

2) The co.uk owner has taken the .uk too and sells the co.uk alone. The new co.uk buyer may well need the .uk version at some point and if he doesnt he will have a confusing competitor. How does this scenario benefit the new business owner?

With co.uk's getting the rights to the .uk version which shall we say is conservatively priced at .25% of the co.uk, it has to inflate the current price of co.uk domain names?

 

[Rob_F]

The way I see it is if a registrant has put themselves in a position where they own what has always been flogged as the premier .uk domain, .co.uk, it is only right and correct they should be given first dibs at .uk. Whether that is the small business owner with one domain, an international business with a hundred domains, or a portfolio owner who has got himself/herself in that position a thousand times, it makes no difference, imo.

- Rob

 

[pugyrob]

The way I see it is if a registrant has put themselves in a position where they own what has always been flogged as the premier .uk domain, .co.uk, it is only right and correct they should be given first dibs at .uk. Whether that is the small business owner with one domain, an international business with a hundred domains, or a portfolio owner who has got himself/herself in that position a thousand times, it makes no difference, imo.

- Rob

Don't disagree but the thread is entitled "nominet change good for all" all i am saying is that it is not good for all, it is good for the domain community and for Nominet coffers. I am struggling to see a benefit for the general public and new businesses.

 

[EdwinEdwin is verified member.]

There are many many many more established businesses than new businesses, and V3 is the best proposal for them.

It may be worse than the status quo, but we fought hard for yet failed to get that. So of the 3 scenarios actually on the table, V3 is by far the friendliest for existing businesses.

 

[websaway]

Don't disagree but the thread is entitled "nominet change good for all" all i am saying is that it is not good for all, it is good for the domain community and for Nominet coffers. I am struggling to see a benefit for the general public and new businesses.

Well the general public who already own a co.uk domain will have the right to register the equivalent .uk but won't be forced to do it for up to five years.

It doesn't leave new businesses in an any worse position than before, so that's good for new businesses.
where is the struggle ?

 

[pugyrob]

Well the general public who already own a co.uk domain will have the right to register the equivalent .uk but won't be forced to do it for up to five years.

It doesn't leave new businesses in an any worse position than before, so that's good for new businesses.
where is the struggle ?

I am not even complaining i like the decision. All i am saying is that i thought the original purpose of Nominet doing this was to allow new businesses into the namespace who missed out first time round. This actually makes it harder for new businesses if anything.

 

[ian]

I thought I'd weigh in here! As a online ecommerce business owner (no involvement in the buying and selling of domains) I'd happy with the result, as priority must be given to existing .co.uk domain owners; having said that, it wouldn't matter for my particular sites because I own all extensions but at least safe guards me to buy them immediately and not wait up to 5 years for the sake of ~£5 per year.

In terms of .uk value, I sell products online so obviously the address is important, but don't have physical signage etc so no problems with associated costs of reprinting etc. Will I use the .uk over .co.uk? Maybe, but the major inconvenience for me would be the name change on the servers and all associated failings as a result which could be very costly for a small business like mine with only 10,000 visitors per day. I think what I'm likely to do is just use the domain as a forwarder to the existing .co.uk domain but use the .uk for email and database services along side the current. Bit messy but there is defiantly a benefit in a shorter more streamline domain structure.

Did I actually give a definitive answer, maybe not!

 

[ian]

Separate note but I feel domain name buyers/sellers are likely to package up the .co.uk and .uk when selling for a small premium and obviously not let the .co.uk drop or sell separate.

 

[bulkcorn]

I am not even complaining i like the decision. All i am saying is that i thought the original purpose of Nominet doing this was to allow new businesses into the namespace who missed out first time round. This actually makes it harder for new businesses if anything.

I thought they were trying to make more money ..... :lol: ... or just ruffle domainers' feathers! :lol:

There are alternatives for new and existing businesses when it comes to domains. They can reg domains with one or several hyphens! A business called e.g. ABC Decorators can always add its location or hyphens to its domain if it cannot afford abcdecorators.co.uk.

Some people would like to own and live in Buckingham palace but make do with a static caravans or a 3 bed in Dagenham!

 

[bulkcorn]

^^^

Rick Schwartz: http://www.ricksblog.com/2013/11/nonsense-responses-forbes-com-world/

"When I was born 60 years ago all the land was bought and I had no money. 500 years of squatters I guess! But the Internet gave real estate an entire new dimension. An entire new chance. I saw that parallel and I acted on it.

There is still plenty of opportunity in domain investing and I buy domains nearly every day of the week. Maybe I should go register IamNotaSquatter.com"

:lol: :lol: