.UK Announced

[Stephen]

Added to the Register?

....If the consultation was not recorded in that register prior to or at the point of launch, that would suggest that Nominet's formal documented corporate risk governance model is not being followed.

Great point but how can we find out if it was ever added to the Register and maybe even find out its content?

 

[DomainManagement]

loving it , like i said stupid or greedy ( AND MISLEADING )

Either one is not a person who i want as a chief exec ,in charge of nominet

its time for a change , and i predict it will happen , just as i said Grahame's

Sites would return i wonder if we should start running a book evens

favourite i reckon , or a sweepstake for weeks from next week to the end of march

what do you think £10 per ticket and a ticket = 1 week

all monies to charity

one i help http://streetchildrenleedo.org/

will draw your ticket live on skype so you know its not a NOMINET fix

pm me

Steve

 

[WealdDomains]

Great point but how can we find out if it was ever added to the Register and maybe even find out its content?

Formal request to Chief Executive, Chair and/or Non-execs, especially if coming from Nominet members ? Failure to respond or an inaccurate response to such a request could then move things into a different league altogether.

Also, p26 (p28 of the PDF) describes a formal role for the Audit Committee and the members thereof (at that time Clive Grace, Piers White and Nora Nanayakkara) on matters of governance and economic (and potentially other) risk.

So, any Audit Committee member who was alerted to a perceived Economic Risk arising from the consultation and who was asked to review whether it was logged appropriately on the Corporate Risk Register and who then failed to follow through on that would also appear to be in breach of their duties.

It may sound as if some of my comments are about the mind-numbing trivia of corporate governance and risk rather than day-to-day issues. I genuinely believe that they are extremely powerful tools for ensuring appropriate corporate behaviour and responsibility, and have the advantage of being factual and devoid of emotion.

PS : remember that they got Al Capone for a financial/administrative matter rather than the St Valentine's Day Massacre

 

[DomainManagement]

opps i see g sites are down but they will be up again

tomorrow or i will give a free ticket

 

[DomainManagement]

Dear WealdDomains you are 100 % correct these breach regulations and if i may say shows continuity with her previously made public actions of misleading

it is time this farce ended

by the way i forgot to mention


winner takes 50 % charity gets 50 % fair does

but if you would like to donate please do

 

[Stephen]

The way to get movement..

.....It may sound as if some of my comments are about the mind-numbing trivia of corporate governance and risk rather than day-to-day issues. I genuinely believe that they are extremely powerful tools for ensuring appropriate corporate behaviour and responsibility, and have the advantage of being factual and devoid of emotion....

Not at all, it is all very helpful and thank you. It has been very difficult to
get Nominet to accept that they have made any mistakes in this process.

With a replies of "it's only a consultation" and "we are in listening mode" its very difficult
to get Nominet to accept they need to take this seriously and
unintentionally I believe they may have put their own future into jeopardy.

 

[martin-s]

I have just submitted my feedback, which ran to 2,300 words. Having taken the time to read and consider comments from all corners, my own opinions have changed a little over time and I am now broadly in favour of introducing .uk with some modifications to both the product and process (for instance a combined registered and un-registered rights sunrise phase).

Would still urge everyone to share their opinions with Nominet rather than just bitch here on Acorn

 

[GreyWing]

It might be worth reading about how a consultation could be fudged by reading the "gay marriage rights consultation".

Not specifically the issue as it's not a concern of mine either way but the fact that thousands of people put their name to a consultation stretching into thousands of words to argue against it and non-attributed comments which were short comments without names sent from all over the world were used as evidence for widespread support.

Also worth reading the views of how a consultation is fair game for manipulation with ease.

 

[websaway]

I have just submitted my feedback, which ran to 2,300 words. Having taken the time to read and consider comments from all corners, my own opinions have changed a little over time and I am now broadly in favour of introducing .uk with some modifications to both the product and process (for instance a combined registered and un-registered rights sunrise phase).

Would still urge everyone to share their opinions with Nominet rather than just bitch here on Acorn

So you won't mind too much if they can't quite accommodate your wishes and you might go down as a yes.
That's the problem with the way it's being conducted anyone who thinks there is a slight chance of them getting a good .uk domain will be in favour with reservations.

Not bitching you understand,just pleased we have this platform to share my opinions with others and not only with Nominet.

 

[martin-s]

Yes, I considered that and I am happy to be put down as a caveat'd "yes".

At the end of the day, I had to put aside all of my "domain investor" led interests and look at it from the perspective of my real businesses and those of my customers.

Apart from anything else, that reflects reality. I have a tiny domain portfolio and it makes me no more than £2-3k each month.

My real business interests, and how domain names affect that, have to come first.

Acorn has been great for discussing and exploring the topic, but if you don't respond to the consultation, you can't blame anyone if your viewpoint isn't heard

 

[websaway]

Yes, I considered that and I am happy to be put down as a caveat'd "yes".

At the end of the day, I had to put aside all of my "domain investor" led interests and look at it from the perspective of my real businesses and those of my customers.

Apart from anything else, that reflects reality. I have a tiny domain portfolio and it makes me no more than £2-3k each month.

My real business interests, and how domain names affect that, have to come first.

Acorn has been great for discussing and exploring the topic, but if you don't respond to the consultation, you can't blame anyone if your viewpoint isn't heard

So how do you justify the single issue that nominet have already sold the corporate/business webspace in the form of .co.uk and are selling it again by issuing .uk, even if they sell it to the same entity that bought the co.uk originally ?

 

[TinkyWinky]

What a noddy survey form - you cannot say "no I don't believe the .UK proposal is a valid one" and then answer things about security and details on monitoring and the suchlike with confidence that your objection to the .UK has been taken into account when you answer the questions.

Looks a very biased and carefully phrased survey to me - I am only on question 3 and I already feel like they assume I want the .UK extension...

I am having to put in every field something along the lines of :

"My answer is only relevant for the context of existing extensions - I do not believe the direct.uk extension should be created."

 

[martin-s]

So how do you justify the single issue that nominet have already sold the corporate/business webspace in the form of .co.uk and are selling it again by issuing .uk, even if they sell it to the same entity that bought the co.uk originally ?

I believe that, given time, market forces would cause .uk to naturally replace .co.uk. I also believe that would be a positive step - shorter is always better (except in the bedroom).

 

[monaghan]

I believe that, given time, market forces would cause .uk to naturally replace .co.uk. I also believe that would be a positive step - shorter is always better (except in the bedroom).

I don't think there's that much opposition to replacing .co.uk with .uk, however, as the proposal currently stands, it will be a redistribution of names, not a replacement. If it was a new registry offering a new TLD, then it is fair game as it is a completely new product for the public to learn about, however, when it is the same registry offering a "superior" product to your competitor and telling the world that your domain is second rate, this is where it becomes wrong.

 

[TinkyWinky]

I believe that, given time, market forces would cause .uk to naturally replace .co.uk. I also believe that would be a positive step - shorter is always better (except in the bedroom).

Hmmm - market forces.

More like "forced market" by the current board.

Sorry there is not one good reason to bring in this extension. Being "shorter" than .co.uk or "more secure" are just weak arguments when you consider the complete disruption and confusion this will create.

How the feck are Nominet going to seriously manage authentication and pin number activations for 5million plus domains? It's laughable - the Government can't even manage the CSA for verifications and that is a lot less than 5m+.

How are Nominet going to placate companies that have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds trading off extensions that may then be sold to competitors? There will be legal cases galore... including class actions in all probability meaning no win no fee lawyers ready to take on Nominet.

There is a system that works, a system that everyone knows and a system that until this year everyone thought would remain (hence a spend of £3m on the short urls).

This is about a legacy for some board members and about releasing this before the ICANN new extensions (late 2013/2014) to maximise any profit - nothing more nothing less. Everything else is smoke screen... and everything they have put together so far shows it has not be thought through properly on a number of levels.

Disclaimer:

I have over 2000 domains and I couldn't give a monkeys whether they change it to allow me as the holder of a .co.uk to get the .UK - I still don't believe there is any need for it and it then ends up purely being a 'tax' on businesses and individuals if you're given the rights to buy as the .co.uk owner.

TW

 

[DomainManagement]

well i consider that if i have travelled to london and beebn to manchester

and seen for my self what a sham this all is

then i can bitch a little and make remarks as they are founded

to go along with this attitude that its ok

is like saying its ok for jimmy saville to be a headmaster


the actions of this board and chief executive are well beyond belief

to even suggest this while the economy is weak , and the confidence in

internet market place is week , show that this a complete no no

there is no real benefit , only a perceived one

its about fighting for what is right against what is wrong

if you want to have a person that according to a judge is misleading

at least then , thats your choice ,

its about motive and intent

 

[Stephen]

Getting nowhere slowly?

Below is my last response from Nominet, it is frustrating to say the least:

Thank you for your emails to the Secretariat of:

Friday 7 December, 07:47
Friday 7 December, 08:10
Friday 7 December, 08:26
Friday 7 December, 10:12
Friday 7 December, 11:25
Friday 7 December, 14:48
Friday 7 December, 14:54
Monday 10 December, 21:33
Monday 10 December, 21:34
Monday 10 December, 22.04

This email responds collectively to the points raised in your emails set out above. In the instances where you have requested further feedback be added to your consultation submission, this has been done. In response to your request for us to confirm that we will include information published on external sites within the consultation feedback, I can confirm that we are taking into account publicly available information relevant to the consultation.

You have asked for further clarification on the following points:

“...does a parked page for ad sense revenue amount to a prior use for a uk domain?”
“...does a domain that is used as a 301/501 redirect for SEO purposes amount to a prior use for a uk domain?”
“...does a domain that is listed on another website amount to a prior use for a uk domain?”

We have requested feedback on the phased release and rights management process as part of the consultation. Only in the light of the responses would we propose to determine the detailed features of the process. If you have views on the approach we should adopt, we would of course welcome this feedback.

Lastly you requested confirmation “that all of the consequences and risks under the current .uk proposal were entered in the Corporate risk register before its launch.” We will not enter into discussions with you regarding the Corporate risk register. This is outside of the scope of the consultation.

I note that you have already made a formal submission in response to the consultation in addition to sending a large volume of emails to the Secretariat and other individual members of Nominet staff. In light of this and in order to be able to appropriately manage the responses to your requests for information, I would be grateful if going forward you could collate your questions into one email and restrict your requests to information within the scope of the consultation. If you would like to add anything further to your consultation response, I would be grateful if you make the additions and re-submit your response in full.

Kind regards

it appears we the people completing the consultation are too feedback what prior use of a UK domains is?

but you may have to re-submit your whole form again to make it easier for Nominet to collate it all!

 

[martin-s]

Yes, you are to suggest what should constitute prior use. Just like you are to suggest whether or not it is realistic or acceptable to use pin validation, whether it is a good idea to offer security bolt-ons, how winning applicants should be determined, or any other part of the consultation.

This is what consultations are for! To get feedback on proposals and iterate towards something better by using collective expertise.

What's more, Nominet members have a responsibility to respond in my opinion.

Note that I don't have any experience of whether Nominet will listen or not, I'm just playing the game because that's all you can do.

And I haven't limited my response to answers to their questions either - indeed I have been highly critical of the way the consultation was launched and has been managed. And proposed they look at putting together a team to advise on future consultations.

But (Alex) I have no problem with .uk organically replacing .co.uk over the coming years. It wouldn't happen overnight, but rather very gradually as market forces dictate. If the initial distribution of names is equitable according to most deserving right, the rest will take care of itself.

And having thought long and hard about it, earliest registration or ownership of a .co.uk for resale does NOT make a registrant most deserving. My proposal was to have a combined 'any pre-existing rights' sunrise and put every contested domain through a dispute process with parties allowed to drop out of the running at that stage if they wish - and any/all remaining parties paying an equal share of the resolution fee required to determine the winner.

 

[foz]

Also worth reading the views of how a consultation is fair game for manipulation with ease.

Tips from Sir Humphrey - http://youtu.be/oLhFXkvugLM

 

[monaghan]

But (Alex) I have no problem with .uk organically replacing .co.uk over the coming years. It wouldn't happen overnight, but rather very gradually as market forces dictate. If the initial distribution of names is equitable according to most deserving right, the rest will take care of itself.

And having thought long and hard about it, earliest registration or ownership of a .co.uk for resale does NOT make a registrant most deserving. My proposal was to have a combined 'any pre-existing rights' sunrise and put every contested domain through a dispute process with parties allowed to drop out of the running at that stage if they wish - and any/all remaining parties paying an equal share of the resolution fee required to determine the winner.

The problem is that it is not just those who registered domains for resale / profit that will be impacted, if you are a small business up against a multi-national, you will just not be able to afford your name. In effect your site / business becomes relegated as a 2nd class UK business due to the way that .uk is being presented (we all understand domains, however, the facebook generation generally has no clue and simply accept what they are told). If Nominet choose not to tell all current domain holders (some odd thing about data protection when you already get emails from Nominet) then you are down to your registrar telling you to apply for it again, if you don't get told (after all a lot of small business have their sites done by "bedroom developers") then you are likely to find out when it is too late.

How do you define a dispute process? Surely if there was a valid dispute criteria the potential alternative registrant would be able to DRS the current .co.uk which being the leading UK domain branding would be the current domain of choice.