.UK Announced

[stevebrowne]

It could be interesting to build a list of big names who could lose their .co.uk as the trademark has been issued to more than one company.

Some examples (if I'm reading the trademark database correctly)

Sky
Barclays
Next
Virgin
Clarks

 

[GreyWing]

It could be interesting to build a list of big names who could lose their .co.uk as the trademark has been issued to more than one company.

Some examples (if I'm reading the trademark database correctly)

Sky
Barclays
Next
Virgin
Clarks

I did try mate, but I quickly realised that it would be quicker to list those that wouldn't lose out.

 

[websaway]

I mentioned previously about trademarking your domain name. There are around 6000 trademarks that have trademarked their domain names that end in .co.uk with the UK trademark office.

It also goes across classes, so if someone for example has registered loans.co.uk in money, it will stop anyone trading a similar name related to engineering etc. If these proposals go ahead I will be registering my main ones as trademarks and asking a court to issue an interim injunction against any auction.

By the way, isn't it good when people like trademark.co.uk and legal.co.uk are set to lose their names. It kind of gives them a dog in the fight when giving advice.

There will be winners and losers but the fact remains it shouldn't happen at all.

 

[TinkyWinky]

There will be winners and losers but the fact remains it shouldn't happen at all.

Absolutely...

Sorry even after having read most of the pros and cons - I still don't fully understand why Nominet have to do this!?

Are they seriously arguing that they want a "more secure" domain landscape - meaning the current system is unsecure. If so, then WTF have they been doing as a registry all this time?

Sorry I am yet to be convinced of anything about this proposal apart from 3 less characters to type.

I took this from ComputerActive's quick resume :

"... with a geographical UK service address so the registry can contact them. It is also proposing monitoring all .uk websites for malware and suspending infected websites."

Why the hell can't they do that with .co.uk?

Anyone can fake "a geographical UK service address" - costs peanuts. What they going to do - turn up on your doorstep to check you are there.. ffs.

Surely Nominet have a duty to their existing "clients" not to devalue what they have been "selling" since 1996... namely .co.uk and org.uk et al.

The only "fair" route if this does go ahead is to offer each .uk domain to the owner of the .co.uk irrespective of the TM conditions.

Then Nom can ensure that DRS allows blanket TM cases to cover all versions of the domain at the same time, that is being challenged for by a TM holder.

Can Nominet be trusted? Well seeing as I am sure they were going to review the £10+VAT charge once the new electronic system had paid for itself... clearly that speaks volumes for the integrity of the current board in my view.

A crock of....

Happy to be proved that this is in the interest of joe public or anyone else (for that matter) outside of Nominet.

TW

 

[RobM]

The whole security issue is just to divert your attention away from the fact that regardless of opinions .uk is going to be steamrolled in.

 

[websaway]

The only way it could be done without fear of criticism if they are really concerned about security and brevity is to offer the .uk to every .co.uk owner with a take up period of say 2 years and then a complete surrender period of 5 years for the identical .co.uk. If the .uk is not taken up by a .co.uk owner then it remains unregistered.

 

[TinkyWinky]

The whole security issue is just to divert your attention away from the fact that regardless of opinions .uk is going to be steamrolled in.

My point exactly - subterfuge - albeit very poorly masked!

The only way it could be done without fear of criticism if they are really concerned about security and brevity is to offer the .uk to every .co.uk owner with a take up period of say 2 years and then a complete surrender period of 5 years for the identical .co.uk. If the .uk is not taken up by a .co.uk owner then it remains unregistered.

Yep agree....

What I am sure no one can tell any one about this proposal is a concrete reason as to EXACTLY why there is a need for another extension in the UK. I am yet to hear one and I won't hold my breath.

I am sure this could be legally challenged on some footing if things were pushed through as they seemingly would be... maybe worth a lot of smaller members putting £100 into a pot (pretty cheap based on any suggested .uk annual charges I have seen) to challenge the rollout, pending a proper review. I woudl chip in!

I am sure someone on the board knows a pretty shit hot commercial lawyer too!!! Shame I only know a probate one.

TW

 

[anthony]

Surely Nominet will be held to account for each unlawful use of a .uk domain name that will occur once criminals have found a way around this security bollocks? Unless of course there is some small print in the terms & conditions that renders the whole exercise as nothing but mutton dressed as lamb!

 

[Philnorris]

It takes one person to create the right noise, it will need every ones support to keep making the noise.

This forum offers an incredible opportunity to take to Nominet. It is not about discussing and hoping the only way to stop it getting pushed through is to make it common knowledge, the only way for that to happen is for some one to create a solid argument, one that every one can support, one that can get every one who supports it to get others to support it.

10,000 signatures and it gets voiced in parliament, in which case every paper and news channel will pick it up. I am not saying you can get 10,000 votes but enough consistent noise and some one will hear. Besides the more people that hear about the domain industry the better.

This is probably one of the longest threads on acorn...we have a voice we are just using it in the wrong place.

The problem is that if you want to voice your opinion in the right place it will take you 30 minutes....seriously!!! Is this not already alienating the likelihood that those who have valid reasons to want to lodge their grievances, are forced to fill out a 30 minute questionnaire!!!

I really don't know the best way to get the message out there, what i do know is that the majority shareholders will not be listening to the voice on this forum, in fact the opposite.

One person who puts the time into this, is all it needs

 

[Edwin]

It takes one person to create the right noise, it will need every ones support to keep making the noise.

This forum offers an incredible opportunity to take to Nominet. It is not about discussing and hoping the only way to stop it getting pushed through is to make it common knowledge, the only way for that to happen is for some one to create a solid argument, one that every one can support, one that can get every one who supports it to get others to support it.

10,000 signatures and it gets voiced in parliament, in which case every paper and news channel will pick it up. I am not saying you can get 10,000 votes but enough consistent noise and some one will hear. Besides the more people that hear about the domain industry the better.

This is probably one of the longest threads on acorn...we have a voice we are just using it in the wrong place.

The problem is that if you want to voice your opinion in the right place it will take you 30 minutes....seriously!!! Is this not already alienating the likelihood that those who have valid reasons to want to lodge their grievances, are forced to fill out a 30 minute questionnaire!!!

I really don't know the best way to get the message out there, what i do know is that the majority shareholders will not be listening to the voice on this forum, in fact the opposite.

One person who puts the time into this, is all it needs

Move over, Mystic Meg! It's almost as if you read my mind...
www.acorndomains.co.uk/nominet-general-information/109615-introduction-uk-dont-do.html

 

[TinkyWinky]

Nice reading - thanks Edwin - the only thing I would like to have seen is a proposal for a .co.uk and .org.uk owner that both want the .uk version to have a locked down private auction to determine who would own the domain.

As what happens if you have bought a domain, which you have owned for 3 weeks, where the original registration goes back before the current existing owner of the .co.uk? Does the actual owner of the domain get more rights even though someone has just invested money in the .org.uk? Or is it purely down to which domain was registered first.

Anyways - can anyone direct me to procedural information for a vote of "no confidence" in the existing Nominet board? Be good for a read... if Cowley has been there for more than 10 years, then maybe it's time for some fresh blood. One that does not put the interests of the Nominet Board and 9 out of the top 10 shareholders (who are domain name registration companies as per Edwin's breakdown) who will benefit massively from the new cashflow.

What a crock of s*** as I said a few posts ago... and seriously - does anyone know a good commercial lawyer... ?

TW

 

[Edwin]

Nice reading - thanks Edwin - the only thing I would like to have seen is a proposal for a .co.uk and .org.uk owner that both want the .uk version to have a locked down private auction to determine who would own the domain.

As what happens if you have bought a domain, which you have owned for 3 weeks, where the original registration goes back before the current existing owner of the .co.uk? Does the actual owner of the domain get more rights even though someone has just invested money in the .org.uk? Or is it purely down to which domain was registered first.

It was "oldest domain wins" in all other countries (except in cases where the commercial registrants were given priority over all other extensions). Nominet is unique in proposing an auction.

That is therefore the "fairest" method of differentiating competing claims, even though of course there will always be some losers.

 

[GreyWing]

Anyways - can anyone direct me to procedural information for a vote of "no confidence" in the existing Nominet board? Be good for a read... if Cowley has been there for more than 10 years, then maybe it's time for some fresh blood. One that does not put the interests of the Nominet Board and 9 out of the top 10 shareholders (who are domain name registration companies as per Edwin's breakdown) who will benefit massively from the new cashflow.

What a crock of s*** as I said a few posts ago... and seriously - does anyone know a good commercial lawyer... ?

TW

Hang fire..... is all I would say. It may not come to members needing to vote. Can't say much more at this point.

 

[Philnorris]

Move over, Mystic Meg! It's almost as if you read my mind...
www.acorndomains.co.uk/nominet-general-information/109615-introduction-uk-dont-do.html

Ron Jackson, Rick schwartz and Andrew Allemann emailed. Over 3,000 members of my groups in linkedIn and facebook mailed. Posted in status in all social networks. Over 1500 of my linkedIn contacts contacted and i have just received a mail from one of the UK's biggest legal names in the domain industry, he is already preparing a paper on this....

@Edwin - Great reading. Is there the ability to record comments somewhere? It is great getting the awareness and shouting but in order to demonstrate it is working you will need to show the voices? Unless you are going for the 10,000 signatures?

 

[Edwin]

Ron Jackson, Rick schwartz and Andrew Allemann emailed. Over 3,000 members of my groups in linkedIn and facebook mailed. Posted in status in all social networks. Over 1500 of my linkedIn contacts contacted and i have just received a mail from one of the UK's biggest legal names in the domain industry, he is already preparing a paper on this....

@Edwin - Great reading. Is there the ability to record comments somewhere? It is great getting the awareness and shouting but in order to demonstrate it is working you will need to show the voices? Unless you are going for the 10,000 signatures?

Thanks for spreading the word - that's a brilliant effort!

I'm not sure what the best way to take comments might be. I don't want to turn it (like many blog comments) into a free-for-all. That helps nobody at all.

I'll have to think on it further.

 

[Philnorris]

Thanks for spreading the word - that's a brilliant effort!

I'm not sure what the best way to take comments might be. I don't want to turn it (like many blog comments) into a free-for-all. That helps nobody at all.

I'll have to think on it further.

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/key/FactSheetNo16

Just speed read this, 500 signatures.....well surely that is possible

 

[Murray]

I posted about this on a big SEO forum I frequent.. SEOChat, might raise some more awareness.

I would have linked to this thread but you have to be a member to see it so wouldn't have been much good..

http://forums.seochat.com/seo-help-...o-introduce-uk-problems-for-co-uk-463078.html

If anyone wants to correct anything I said there, or add some actual intelligent insight to my brief waffle and maybe raise a bit more awareness then please be my guest.

ps. If it's inappropriate to post the link I did to another forum then my apologies and an admin please remove it.

 

[Edwin]

I posted about this on a big SEO forum I frequent.. SEOChat, might raise some more awareness.

I would have linked to this thread but you have to be a member to see it so wouldn't have been much good..

http://forums.seochat.com/seo-help-...o-introduce-uk-problems-for-co-uk-463078.html

If anyone wants to correct anything I said there, or add some actual intelligent insight to my brief waffle and maybe raise a bit more awareness then please be my guest.

ps. If it's inappropriate to post the link I did to another forum then my apologies and an admin please remove it.

It's a nice gesture, but I'm not sure what the point of what you posted was, because you didn't link people over to my position paper where they can find out the actual details of what Nominet's proposal will mean, but only to a news story that missed the key points.

For anyone who missed my post amongst the hundreds of others, THIS is the relevant information http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ that we need as many business owners as possible to read and absorb.

 

[Murray]

It's a nice gesture, but I'm not sure what the point of what you posted was, because you didn't link people over to my position paper where they can find out the actual details of what Nominet's proposal will mean, but only to a news story that missed the key points.

For anyone who missed my post amongst the hundreds of others, THIS is the relevant information http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ that we need as many business owners as possible to read and absorb.

Fair, I edited the post and added it, now I guess I should actually read it

I'm only on page 42 of this thread itself so far lol.

 

[Murray]

If anyone else has any links they would like to be added to it, if you could provide that with a brief explanation of what exactly the link is about that would be great, thanks.