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Bin Laden: Shoot To Kill

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Rarely does one find obvious categorical proof in a crime scene. In most murders for example there are not usually obvious clues that prove who the murderer was. Hence investigators need to sift through the available evidence and try to piece together what happened.

Figuring out what happened on 911 is no different. You will need to sift through the evidence, of which there is plenty. It could take a long time to do that but luckily other people have already done it and compiled the evidence in various documentaries like Zero Investigation.
 
they recycled and disposed and sold most of the evidence as quickly as possible
the steel and rubble

look into it

yet that is from a crime scene

theres billions of useless acres in the states to store it, so space is not a problem. and they didn't need the cash (then :cool:) from flogging the rubble and second hand steel
 
Name and shame then, who got their hands dirty? Come on, back it up with evidence! Who are these bumbling ghosts no one can prove anything about?
 
Name and shame then, who got their hands dirty? Come on, back it up with evidence! Who are these bumbling ghosts no one can prove anything about?

I can't make you see when you refuse to open your eyes.

You want evidence - you have it. Have you looked through the site at the link above? If you have, then unless you want to believe otherwise the only conclusion that can be met is that the buildings were brought down by explosions.

Why is the official explanation for why and how the twin towers came down based on the buildings having been constructed differently to how they were?

If they were investigating a car crash would it be okay for them to base the event on a Ford Focus when the actual crash was in a Merc S Class? Of course not.

For you to see the evidence for what it is, you need to get rid of the ideas that authorities act correctly all the time; that big secrets can't be kept; that people tell lies. All the large scale autrocities throughout history have involved many people and are lead by people who wield a lot of power.

If you want me to deliver George Bush to your house in person and get him to admit everything, it's not going to happen - I'm afraid you'll have to engage your brain and sort out what's possible from what's not, and then see which side of the argument is factual and which is based on assumtion and false reporting.

You previously stated this, believing it to be correct;

Traditonal steel frame buildings dont, but these were not traditionally constructed box frame, all the support strength was in the outer walls, both severely weakened by impact damage and fire

I have shown that this is wrong - that's proof, isn't it. The strength was from the steel inner core, not the outer walls. Wherever you got that bit of misinformation from (it was from one of the official theories) is flat out wrong. What does that make you think? Seems like you want to now ignore that and now want some other form of proof.

Like I said, I can't make you see through closed eyes.

If it makes a difference, I never questioned the official bullshit for a few years until I realised that a lot of what they want you to believe is impossible. Unless you want to believe it that is.

As you are on the side of the official story, how about you prove part of it to me? Pick anything...tell me a part of the official story that you believe to be beyond question.

You want names? I don't know who the real powermongers are - the ones behind the scenes of whoever happens to be fronting the Whitehouse at the moment. You think George Bush or Barrack Obama run the show? They're puppets.
 

Take it you didn't get up to page 62:

Poisoning the well:
injecting disinformation and unverifiable speculation to waste the time of skeptics and discredit them in the public's mind.

In this case through association with something entirely irrelevent and ridiculous.


Bring it on! If you're so sure that the official story is the truth, tell me which bit proves it to you beyond any doubt. Can you do that?

If you can't do that, then you should ask yourself why.
 
Get a life...please. Page 62, you got to be kidding.

Please close this thread
 
My position on this is that until someone shows me REAL evidence that the US government in any guise was responsible, then I'm more than happy to accept that a group of Muslim terrorists took advantage of American arrogance to fly planes into buildings, subjecting them to conditions which had never before or since been encountered by a building.

Continuing to post the psychotic ramblings of a few amateur detectives does not amount to evidence.


What would you accept as evidence - isn't it enough that the official story is accepting of impossible theories?

How can that not prove it to you?

The US authorities back claims that are impossible. Why would they do that if not to cover up the truth?

I note you haven't attempted to pick out anything from your beliefs that you say are enough to confirm that belief. Nothing.

May I suggest that the only thing that is stopping you from seeing the truth is that you cannot believe that it was an inside job. That's all. You can't believe that;
a. the US wouldn't do something so terrible.
b. they couldn't get away with it, ie, keep it quiet.

Are you a holocaust denier also?
Do you believe that there are nations murdering their own citizens - villages of men women and children hacked to death by their own countrymen with machetes.
Ethnic cleansing? Myth or fact?
This stuff goes on elsewhere - why not the US? Are they too nice? Too white? Speak English? What is it that stop some from believing they would pull something like 911? They sure had the motive. More than a phoney 'religious war'.

And as for being able to keep it quiet....how would you or I know how many people have tried to expose it? The only way is through the media. How many people knew that Tony Blair became godfather to Rupert Murdochs kid whilst he was PM? That only came out a cuple of weeks ago and promptly got squashed as a news item.

With a compliant media, they can control the minds of the masses. Thank God for the internet.
 
It is amazing to watch how far some people have to go to try and convince others of something that is apparently blindingly obvious. It’s also quite worrying how much time has been devoted to finding out the "truth".

Would there be a need for all this if it was fact? Wouldn’t experts in all the relevant fields be screaming it from the rooftops and creating uproar? Or are they all being silenced?

I’m done with arguing as sometimes you just have to accept that some people are never wrong and know everything.
 
The bottom line is almost 3,000 innocent people died on September 11th 2001 which can NEVER be justified and for reasons which no one will ever know for certain

Nobody is right OR wrong in this thread as it is their own personal opinion.

I have my own views on what happened, but no matter how much I rant and argue and disagree with others, it will not bring anyone back.

10 Years and not forgotten X
 
It is amazing to watch how far some people have to go to try and convince others of something that is apparently blindingly obvious. It’s also quite worrying how much time has been devoted to finding out the "truth".

Would there be a need for all this if it was fact? Wouldn’t experts in all the relevant fields be screaming it from the rooftops and creating uproar? Or are they all being silenced?

I’m done with arguing as sometimes you just have to accept that some people are never wrong and know everything.

I haven't seen you arguing...and when all is said and done, I don't think any different of anyone here or anywhere else if they believe the official line or not - everything's cool.

The thing is, I like a debate, and this is such a massive topic...2 wars and hundreds of thousands of innocents killed because of it, that it's worth trying to help others see the truth. Whether you believe the official story or not, changes the way you see everything.

The reason why so much effort is required to show people reality, is because some people assume what they get from TV or newspapers is a reflection of the truth. It isn't.

If you don't do anything else, just think about this one thing; what is the overriding factor that makes you believe the official story? Be as specific as you can.
 
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Would there be a need for all this if it was fact? Wouldn’t experts in all the relevant fields be screaming it from the rooftops and creating uproar? Or are they all being silenced?

Actually there are thousands of experts screaming it from the rooftops, though not surprisingly they are not mentioned by the mainstream media.

http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://physics911.ca/members/
http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
http://911scholars.org/

The first link alone has over 1500 architects and engineers who have signed the petition to demand an independent investigation. No doubt there are many more who are afraid to speak out.
 
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Not one scrap of credible evidence of any conspiracy whatsoever. I love how, when cornered to present some, the theorists all fall back on the circumstantial stuff and put down those who are not taken in by the bandwagon brigade.

Until we have that Watergate moment, i'll stick to what i saw rather than the armchair detectives view of things!
 
Not one scrap of credible evidence of any conspiracy whatsoever. I love how, when cornered to present some, the theorists all fall back on the circumstantial stuff and put down those who are not taken in by the bandwagon brigade.

Until we have that Watergate moment, i'll stick to what i saw rather than the armchair detectives view of things!

Wow - amazing!

Not one scrap of evidence???????

The official story for the fall of the towers, relies on things that aren't present. They have been alerted to that and yet they prefer to stick with fiction. Only one reason to do that, and that is to cover up the truth.

How can you or anyone else say that the reason the towers came down is circumstantial...it is EVERYTHING! It started 2 wars; it killed 3,000 people.

BTW, do you not know what a conspiracy is? Whether you believe in the fantasy-land official story or not, there was a conspiracy. If more than one person plots something, it's a conspiracy.

Anyway, who's cornered here? You are avoiding answering my question...because you can't. Not without admiting that your whole belief is centered around 'I can't believe those Americans would be so naughty'. You can't admit to this because you know it would not only show you to be closed-minded to possibility, but that you have nothing else to back it up.

If you think I'm cornered...corner me some more and tell me what evidence it is that makes you believe the official story.

In the whole 80 odd posts no-one has offered any evidence in favour of the official story...why is that I wonder?

i'll stick to what i saw

Do you believe everything on the telly?
 
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Do you believe everything on the telly?

Nope of course not, but you are advocating believing in everything we don't here on tv's. That includes Ewoks and Jedi's flying round the streets of London in the Millenium Falcon.
 
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