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http://domainnamewire.com/2012/10/29/backlash-rising-against-second-level-uk-domains/
Andrew has taken the story;-)
Andrew has taken the story;-)
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A video has been put together... more will be on the way shortly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gds1j63zpos&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gds1j63zpos&feature=youtu.be
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I'm not going to lie, I wanted to turn it off after the first 15 seconds.
It isn't very engaging.
Sorry.
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I was reading this thread patently till page 56 and I hopped to wake up from this bad dream. Many good arguments been said
here. I do not think direct.uk is good idea at all. But what is going to stop it! Yes its trade barrier for EU but Nominet will work something out. The fact that .co. is in cctld will not stop people trying to do something about unless it is declared by some means that it’s not going to change ever. I believe that would be OK by most internet users if they had a chance to make informed vote. We use telephone numbers with digits that probably are not required and I have not seen many complains. Current set up is working well. If you need security go for plc.uk , ltd.uk or sec.uk or double the price of .co.uk and add the technology or whatever.
I believe this idea has came from one individual who is making career out of it, and Nominet ran with it because it brings revenue, salaries, better pensions. Greed is nothing new.
As for that individual, there is no such thing as bad press. It will look nice on CV.
Just consider what Bank of England is doing with QE policies - no better than Nominet i say.
Many big shot CEOs of UK and international PLCs try to do silly things because they can, they have the power. BHP Billiton, Prudential are good examples, only the shareholders have the power to stop it.
So unless its stopped dead for ever by all members, we have to go with the idea but we must make Nominet to listen.
here. I do not think direct.uk is good idea at all. But what is going to stop it! Yes its trade barrier for EU but Nominet will work something out. The fact that .co. is in cctld will not stop people trying to do something about unless it is declared by some means that it’s not going to change ever. I believe that would be OK by most internet users if they had a chance to make informed vote. We use telephone numbers with digits that probably are not required and I have not seen many complains. Current set up is working well. If you need security go for plc.uk , ltd.uk or sec.uk or double the price of .co.uk and add the technology or whatever.
I believe this idea has came from one individual who is making career out of it, and Nominet ran with it because it brings revenue, salaries, better pensions. Greed is nothing new.
As for that individual, there is no such thing as bad press. It will look nice on CV.
Just consider what Bank of England is doing with QE policies - no better than Nominet i say.
Many big shot CEOs of UK and international PLCs try to do silly things because they can, they have the power. BHP Billiton, Prudential are good examples, only the shareholders have the power to stop it.
So unless its stopped dead for ever by all members, we have to go with the idea but we must make Nominet to listen.
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Posted at the "other place" but thought it was worth posting here, for those who haven't seen it.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/insight/directuk-domain-name-consultation-update-and-clarifications
Reading between the lines, doesn't sound like they are finding much support for the proposals, as they stand.
- Rob
http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/insight/directuk-domain-name-consultation-update-and-clarifications
Reading between the lines, doesn't sound like they are finding much support for the proposals, as they stand.
- Rob
"Stakeholders" seems to be bandied about my Nominet. As it resembles "Shareholders" my impression is that they are speaking to its members. If not (by poor communication) they are seeking wider community feedback surely Nominets duty is to email all registrants about this consultation.
This is a nonsense statement. A .co.uk owner will feel obliged to protect their presence by pursuing .uk.
This is a nonsense statement. A .co.uk owner will feel obliged to protect their presence by pursuing .uk.
It reads "Again, we would reiterate that we see the new .uk domains as an alternative to, not a replacement for, .co.uk or any other third level .uk address. It is not the case that everyone with a .co.uk would be forced to simply move and pay more for a .uk equivalent."
It should read that
it is a competitor of the co.uk in the uk namespace.
and if that is the case it's the biggest betrayal of trust I have ever encountered.
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"The proposal is viewed as an addition to the .uk namespace"
Should read
"This is a personal legacy for certain member(s) of the Nom board"
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Agree with all the recent sentiments.
However, we can unfortunately go round on this on here until the cows come home and not effect change.
If you think my position paper helps the case, then please do whatever you can to get it noticed outside the domain community.
Do you have friends working for companies that would be impacted by the change? Or clients? Or do you work for someone that would be affected? Then let them know.
Do you blog, tweet or Google+? Then why not post about the issue in simple, clear terms that any business owner would understand.
Are you a member of non-domaining forums with a relevant audience? Then why not let people know what's going on?
Do you know a journalist, an MP, or someone with clout (e.g. a person with a HUGE Twitter following)? Then make sure they know about this issue.
And so on, and so forth. This has to be a collective effort if we're to have any chance at all of reaching a wider audience.
Hand on heart, this isn't about MY proposal. I really don't care if you want to re-iterate the issue in your own words, and you certainly aren't forced to link to my http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ issue site. This is all about spreading the message.
Oh, and if you told some people yesterday, then tell some other people today. And other folks tomorrow. There are millions of people who will be impacted by this, so we're not about to run out of "targets"!
Slow and steady wins the race.
However, we can unfortunately go round on this on here until the cows come home and not effect change.
If you think my position paper helps the case, then please do whatever you can to get it noticed outside the domain community.
Do you have friends working for companies that would be impacted by the change? Or clients? Or do you work for someone that would be affected? Then let them know.
Do you blog, tweet or Google+? Then why not post about the issue in simple, clear terms that any business owner would understand.
Are you a member of non-domaining forums with a relevant audience? Then why not let people know what's going on?
Do you know a journalist, an MP, or someone with clout (e.g. a person with a HUGE Twitter following)? Then make sure they know about this issue.
And so on, and so forth. This has to be a collective effort if we're to have any chance at all of reaching a wider audience.
Hand on heart, this isn't about MY proposal. I really don't care if you want to re-iterate the issue in your own words, and you certainly aren't forced to link to my http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ issue site. This is all about spreading the message.
Oh, and if you told some people yesterday, then tell some other people today. And other folks tomorrow. There are millions of people who will be impacted by this, so we're not about to run out of "targets"!
Slow and steady wins the race.
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If I were all of you I'd be worried that there's a bit of kidology going on here.
If you want to make a big step change to something and you know that there'll be resistance to it, it's no good just coming out and announcing what you want to achieve (i.e. .UK domains), because the backlash will mean you won't get what you want.
Instead you need to offer something far worse (existing domain holders have no rights over the new .UK) so that the backlash is against the method of rolling it out rather than against .UKs being made available and the betrayal of trust that it represents.
So everyone is up in arms about how unfair the proposal is, and when it builds to a crescendo they say "oh, okay, well we're such a swell organisation that we've listened to what everyone says and we agree to do it your way - current holders of .co.uks have first dibs on the .UKs"
Everyone who's been tricked into being up in arms over the method of rollout rather than the unfairness of .UKs being released at all calms down, Nominet pocket a big bag of cash, and .co.uk holders are screwed (or have to cough up).
And you end up with the .UK happening anyway.
I bet you that's what happens, especially since the method being offered is so patently unfair and would lead to lawsuit city.
If you want to make a big step change to something and you know that there'll be resistance to it, it's no good just coming out and announcing what you want to achieve (i.e. .UK domains), because the backlash will mean you won't get what you want.
Instead you need to offer something far worse (existing domain holders have no rights over the new .UK) so that the backlash is against the method of rolling it out rather than against .UKs being made available and the betrayal of trust that it represents.
So everyone is up in arms about how unfair the proposal is, and when it builds to a crescendo they say "oh, okay, well we're such a swell organisation that we've listened to what everyone says and we agree to do it your way - current holders of .co.uks have first dibs on the .UKs"
Everyone who's been tricked into being up in arms over the method of rollout rather than the unfairness of .UKs being released at all calms down, Nominet pocket a big bag of cash, and .co.uk holders are screwed (or have to cough up).
And you end up with the .UK happening anyway.
I bet you that's what happens, especially since the method being offered is so patently unfair and would lead to lawsuit city.
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Yes kidology in a way... but posturing in this way does galvanise people and a thread this long shows just who is for/against this absurd notion of diluting the .UK domain landscape.
What we need is a bit of googlebombing from some experienced SEO's that are with the cause - which with the correct chosen terms would get it a whole load more press.
My personal view is against .UK full stop.
It's purely about money - so any watered down proposal to me still doesn't wash whether I got first dibs on domains or not.
TW
What we need is a bit of googlebombing from some experienced SEO's that are with the cause - which with the correct chosen terms would get it a whole load more press.
My personal view is against .UK full stop.
It's purely about money - so any watered down proposal to me still doesn't wash whether I got first dibs on domains or not.
TW
Bang on .
The dilemma that exists is that you still have to fight it or it would go through as outlined. But the crux of the argument is why do we need a .uk . 79% of businesses asked ( though it doesn't say 79% of how many ) say they would want it, but at what cost and who incurs the cost.
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Personally I'd stop complaining against how unfair the rollout will be and instead focus on how unfair .UK is full stop.
Otherwise you'll end up getting businesses in on the cause, only to lose them when they realise for £50 or whatever they can buy the .UK and get over the problem.
What about the confusion it will cause to the public.
For example, if you've spent your time getting people to recognise yourbrand.co.uk and you suddenly change it to yourbrand.uk...
How much business would you lose to the person who owned yourbranduk.co.uk
Because a lot of people just won't get it - it might come as a bit of a shock, but a large percentage of the population are thick
And the rest don't care about domains or how it all works.
Otherwise you'll end up getting businesses in on the cause, only to lose them when they realise for £50 or whatever they can buy the .UK and get over the problem.
What about the confusion it will cause to the public.
For example, if you've spent your time getting people to recognise yourbrand.co.uk and you suddenly change it to yourbrand.uk...
How much business would you lose to the person who owned yourbranduk.co.uk
Because a lot of people just won't get it - it might come as a bit of a shock, but a large percentage of the population are thick
And the rest don't care about domains or how it all works.
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Personally I'd stop complaining against how unfair the rollout will be and instead focus on how unfair .UK is full stop.
Otherwise you'll end up getting businesses in on the cause, only to lose them when they realise for £50 or whatever they can buy the .UK and get over the problem.
What about the confusion it will cause to the public.
For example, if you've spent your time getting people to recognise yourbrand.co.uk and you suddenly change it to yourbrand.uk...
How much business would you lose to the person who owned yourbranduk.co.uk
Because a lot of people just won't get it - it might come as a bit of a shock, but a large percentage of the population are thick
And the rest don't care about domains or how it all works.
I agree they could just pacify the powerful dissenters and then steer it through.
Each will look after their own interests and can be bought off.
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.uk is just so much better than co.uk and would help professionalise the appearance of the uk internet industry. It is therefore inevitable that it will happen in some form one day so I don't think there is any point trying to stop it completely.
It just looks so bad:
www.google.de
www.google.fr
www.google.co.uk
It just looks so bad:
www.google.de
www.google.fr
www.google.co.uk
Why wont they get what they want..? Nom spent over a million on there unfair dismissal case? That showed there not afraid to use dubious methods and £ to get what they want… It doesn’t take long for nom to get any legal cost back in reg fees hell they could increase them every year..?
Lawsuits based on what that you don’t get the domain you wished? In other countries its happened has this threat meant anyone successfully stopped or changed anything any statistics, a legal precedents..?
The deepest pockets (corporations) will have the luxury of brand protection; trademarks etc Buying at auction or even aftermarket is a lot cheaper than. lawsuits. They’d still have there co.uk com etc.
Look at how much nom stand to make in registration fee’s is it 600% more? Even if they lose and have to change there proposals etc. Co.uk is still watered down, the potential confusion ( although you don't have to change anything ?) is still there, maintaining your portfolio cost have increased but not necessarily the value or demand ?
Lawsuits based on what that you don’t get the domain you wished? In other countries its happened has this threat meant anyone successfully stopped or changed anything any statistics, a legal precedents..?
The deepest pockets (corporations) will have the luxury of brand protection; trademarks etc Buying at auction or even aftermarket is a lot cheaper than. lawsuits. They’d still have there co.uk com etc.
Look at how much nom stand to make in registration fee’s is it 600% more? Even if they lose and have to change there proposals etc. Co.uk is still watered down, the potential confusion ( although you don't have to change anything ?) is still there, maintaining your portfolio cost have increased but not necessarily the value or demand ?
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