.UK Announced

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Just a reminder there is still time to register for the .uk conference on Wednesday:

Agenda

10:00 Arrival and refreshments

10:30 Welcome/Introduction

10:40 Overview of the direct .uk proposals

10:45 Panel debate on direct.uk proposals

There will be plenty of opportunity for questions from the floor throughout the debate.

12:30 Close - a light lunch will be provided

The .uk conference will be held at Skyloft, Altitude London, 6th Floor Office, Millbank Tower, 21-24 Millbank, London, SW1P 4QP.

http://info.nominet.org.uk/go.asp?/bNOM001/mBFM99/u15X54/x8FDR9

 

[Stephen]

Nominet London meeting

Just a reminder there is still time to register for the .uk conference on Wednesday:

http://info.nominet.org.uk/go.asp?/bNOM001/mBFM99/u15X54/x8FDR9

Thanks I hope to see you there, it should be an interesting meeting.

I did register and was told I would get more details through but have yet to receive them.

Does anybody know who is on the panel?

 

[cav]

Long term - an alternative to .com international extension for British business???

I have tried to look at these proposals from a different perspective i.e to find the top five real benefits to current co.uk owners ( without focusing on self interest ) that could accrue as a result of them being introduced.

I could find only one benefit

1 shorter extension for typing a domain. .uk instead of .co.uk
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Can anyone help me to add to my list ?

 

[Stephen]

Nominet panel and meeting content?

Yes. Four people. I'm one of them (I'm not joking).

My invite to be on the panel, is probably in the post then!

Very best of luck and is there anything about the event, you can share with us on this thread?

 

[viceroy]

I have tried to look at these proposals from a different perspective i.e to find the top five real benefits to current co.uk owners ( without focusing on self interest ) that could accrue as a result of them being introduced.

I could find only one benefit

1 shorter extension for typing a domain. .uk instead of .co.uk
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Can anyone help me to add to my list ?

I think that you're wrongly assuming that the .uk would go to the .co.uk holder?

 

[websaway]

I think that you're wrongly assuming that the .uk would go to the .co.uk holder?

Yes I think I was assuming that the case is where the co.uk owner got the equivelant .uk So you know, where there are no issues, I am a co.uk owner who has been allowed to register the .uk.
And the question I am asking myself is what benefits do I now have, which I didn't have before.

 

[namealot]

Two of the three other panelists are likely to be representatives of a large registrar and an IP management company. I'll find out more on the day.

Here are the three of them after there last nom meeting

Mr Hear, Speak, See​

 

[Edwin]

I have tried to look at these proposals from a different perspective i.e to find the top five real benefits to current co.uk owners ( without focusing on self interest ) that could accrue as a result of them being introduced.

I could find only one benefit

1 shorter extension for typing a domain. .uk instead of .co.uk
2
3
4
5

Can anyone help me to add to my list ?

http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/pros-and-cons.html

 

[websaway]

http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/pros-and-cons.html

thanks Edwin I'm looking for benefits in the new proposals that directly benefit me as a co.uk owner, but looking at your pro's I find that

I think your first four are all about convenience of a shorter extension, so covered in my No 1 under typing in the .uk

Puts it on a par with other countries… yes, but I can’t see where the benefit of that is that’s not covered in the brevity of the extension.

Makes more names available …. that doesn’t benefit me as a co.uk owner because I already have the name / names that I want.

Allows people to register names they missed out on before…. again that wouldn’t benefit me because as a co.uk owner I already have the name/names I want.

Added revenue for Nominet …… again that won’t directly benefit me as a co.uk owner.

 

[websaway]

It occurs to me now when looking at the brevity of .uk whether maybe it’s not such a benefit. co.uk cannot be mistaken, it’s clearly branded as the UK business domain space, if .uk is introduced how are people to know that columbia’s .co is not also a newly introduced uk extension. It could well be that it will dilute our identity.

 

[Edwin]

Here are more examples (over 300 in all) of "generic" TMs where Nominet will hand over to TM holders the equivalent of hundreds of millions of pounds worth of .uk domains.
http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/tmroundup.pdf

(If you take issue with my valuation, take the time to REALLY look at the list of domains we're talking about. "Hotels", "Sex", "Jobs", etc. - no, we're EASILY into the hundreds of millions in raw value for the whole list...)

 

[Edwin]

There are 102 .co.uk sites in the top 500 sites in the UK (Alexa data)

Of these, 50 fail one or more criteria to automatically receive the matching .uk name under Nominet's proposal
- 23 fail the UK presence requirement
- 26 would be forced to contest the .uk at auction with other TM holders, including the BBC, eBay, Amazon and Telegraph.
- 9 would automatically lose their right to the equivalent .uk because they have no TM and other TM holders exist, including the Guardian, Mirror, Standard, Three, etc.

http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/alexatop500.pdf

 

[namealot]

Here are more examples (over 300 in all) of "generic" TMs where Nominet will hand over to TM holders the equivalent of hundreds of millions of pounds worth of .uk domains.
http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/tmroundup.pdf

(If you take issue with my valuation, take the time to REALLY look at the list of domains we're talking about. "Hotels", "Sex", "Jobs", etc. - no, we're EASILY into the hundreds of millions in raw value for the whole list...)
Of these, 50 fail one or more criteria to automatically receive the matching .uk name under Nominet's proposal
- 23 fail the UK presence requirement
- 26 would be forced to contest the .uk at auction with other TM holders, including the BBC, eBay, Amazon and Telegraph.
- 9 would automatically lose their right to the equivalent .uk because they have no TM and other TM holders exist, including the Guardian, Mirror, Standard, Three, etc.

Playing devils advocate.... wouldn't they also loose out if they just gave out grandfather rights on ones that would otherwise go to auction...uk presence wouldn’t that just be the case of a mail drop point… the ones forced to contest that’s been same with any new TLD, cctld in the past... and not having a trademarks has always been a risk...

 

[Edwin]

Playing devils advocate.... wouldn't they also loose out if they just gave out grandfather rights on ones that would otherwise go to auction...uk presence wouldn’t that just be the case of a mail drop point… the ones forced to contest that’s been same with any new TLD, cctld in the past... and not having a trademarks has always been a risk...

No, they all have the .co.uk.

Also, you're buying into Nominet's fundamentally flawed assumption that .uk is "new". By definition, new TLDs have no domains in them, whereas the UK namespace already has over 10,000,000 to contend with.

 

[monaghan]

I'm agreeing with Edwin again!

uk already has names, if they were introducing .GB (or other TLD), then yes, first come first served through agreed sunrise period, however, we've been using subdomains under .uk since the start (long before Nominet), so .uk is not a new entity and it already has 3 subdomains allocated for business use (.co.uk, .ltd.uk and .plc.uk), so adding direct.uk simply adds confusion by adding a 4th business name to the pool.

 

[websaway]

No, they all have the .co.uk.

Also, you're buying into Nominet's fundamentally flawed assumption that .uk is "new". By definition, new TLDs have no domains in them, whereas the UK namespace already has over 10,000,000 to contend with.

I have been virtually unable to find any benefit to the co.uk consumer within the Nominet proposals for the introduction of dotuk
On this basis Nominet could find that because of what they have already sold to co.uk consumers they may bring upon themselves the same fate that the banks and credit card companies have had to endure.
As a consumer, under consumer law, I have the right to expect that what I have bought is delivered and If Nominet go ahead as the Banks did thinking they can do as they like and ignoring the fact that the consumer is important and profit should not be the entire driving force, then the future could be a minefield of legal redress.


This is what nominet have sold to the consumer.
http://www.agreatplacetobe.co.uk/which-uk/

 

[markb]

If the extension does go ahead. Will the current owners of .co.uk domain names actually be informed of the auctions to buy their relevant .uk domain? Or will nominet not inform them, like they havent done on the consultation period?

 

[TinkyWinky]

If the extension does go ahead. Will the current owners of .co.uk domain names actually be informed of the auctions to buy their relevant .uk domain? Or will nominet not inform them, like they havent done on the consultation period?

Depends how many legal letters and summons they are wading through as to how long it will take them to inform their "shareholders" on wtf is going on...

 

[Stephen]

Nominet response to a .uk world

If the extension does go ahead. Will the current owners of .co.uk domain names actually be informed of the auctions to buy their relevant .uk domain? Or will nominet not inform them, like they havent done on the consultation period?

Response back from Nominet on this very question and lots of related questions, on what would happen next, if .uk went ahead;

" As it is not decided whether a direct.uk service will proceed, or if it does the form the service might take,
it is simply not possible to provide answers to your questions on implementation, strategy, marketing communications,
or how any changes to terms and conditions might manifest themselves. "

Might get some answers in London Nominet meeting on Wednsday, however due to this response, I doubt it!

 

[markb]

Response back from Nominet on this very question and lots of related questions, on what would happen next, if .uk went ahead;

" As it is not decided whether a direct.uk service will proceed, or if it does the form the service might take,
it is simply not possible to provide answers to your questions on implementation, strategy, marketing communications,
or how any changes to terms and conditions might manifest themselves. "

Might get some answers in London Nominet meeting on Wednsday, however due to this response, I doubt it!

Its good to know they thought this through properly, what a bunch of numpties they are at nominet.