Discussion in 'The Bar' started by dropsnatcher, Jan 18, 2020.
Thank you. Noted. I like forensics. Sometimes you have to look in more than one direction
Or as my relative Charles Dodgson put it: 'Curiouser and Curiouser' (.uk if you like)
Something I noticed on the voting rights from June 2019:
The Bulgarian members all have concurrent membership numbers AND voting rights:
20489047 Antoniya Pavlova 1752
20495541 Tatyana Karataneva 1752
20495041 Simeon Chakalov 1752
20498542 Maria Dobcheva 1752
20498292 Ivelina Georgieva 1752
20493291 Severina Paneva 1752
20498291 Tulang EOOD 1752
20493542 NORWAY NAME REGISTRATION LIMITED 1752
20493791 Nedko Nedkov 1752
20495543 VALRON EOOD 1752
20500292 Hristina Kostova 1752
20501041 SUPER STORE BG LTD 1752
20250028 Tool Domains Ltd 2239
20334284 DotSensei Ltd. 5708
20439042 NET IN 1799
20378291 Internet Corporated Networks Ltd. 1834
Which means by the time of the ROR drop (1st July 2019) they had joined at the same time and were full members ?
Please could you explain in what way these numbers are concurrent? In the left hand column I don't see concurrent numbers? Clearly the right hand numbers are all 1752 in the top list but what does 1752 refer to?
The membership number is a long one starting with 2049 mostly - I have no idea how Nominet allocates or generates the last part of that number. It suggests however those members were all created at the same time.
The number on the right is their voting rights and 1752 is the lowest number a member could have that year. That is allocated under the voting rights policy 4.2.4 which suggests new members with no domains:
Anyway to prove it all you have to do is ask the company secretary for a list of members (under the companies act) with the joining dates.
And thats just the ones we are aware of!
And Nominet have done exactly what about this?
Allowed them to participate in the RoR drop last year, despite joining after the 3rd May deadline, whilst preventing existing members who missed the deadline.
Turning a blind eye to some of them joining on the same date from the same country, which should have raised suspicion. Having been to Bulgaria, I know that most residents would not have the money to join.
Ignoring complaints about this, and allowing them to continue to abuse the system.
Telling members not to discuss this on their own forum.
No due diligence, and zero regards to the Money Laundering Regulations... I wouldn't be surprised if all money transferred to Nominet came via the same TransferWise account.
And that's just the start of what comes to mind...
And if I say that to Nominet, and they say "HOW does it show that those members were all created at the same time?" I don't see the concurrence and the proof in those numbers myself. How do those numbers show they "were all created at the same time"?
As part of an email conversation with Nominet last week where I presented evidence I had put together myself, they had this to say
So very vague.
I'm trying to be forensic, not awkward, but do we have evidence that they participated in the RoR last year? All of them? One of them?
Yes. A new member caught job.uk - this was already stated earlier in the thread.
I wrote about those tags on the ROR testbed at the time here: https://forum.nominet.uk/forum/member-forum/technical/12424-new-tags-on-ror-uk-testbed
The numbers are account numbers, rather than membership numbers. I've received a copy of the members' register, but I cannot share information from it, other than using it for the purposes stated. What I will say, is that some joined on the very same day.
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SUPER STORE BG joined between 3rd May and 3rd July. Do we know that as a fact? Sorry to be pedantic and appreciate your info.
He said he had the register of members but couldn’t share it.
You can ask for it under section 116 and as section 113 says it must contain the date they joined:
Separate names with a comma.